Make the change from a 911?

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Make the change from a 911?

Post by cupraandy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:37 am

Hi all,

I am a Newbie :bigwave:

I currently have a 911 which is my daily while my wife has the big sensible dirty diesel. She keeps pestering me for a Fiat 500 now as our 2 toddlers have outgrown the clumbersome buggy taking up the boot space...... so means my turn to have a big family car :D So its a C6 RS6 Avant.

Just have a few questions on living with one, running costs aren't really a concern coming from a 911 and I've read on here that the C6 will return 20mpg so that's fine. Its more of, how reliable are they, anything to look out for or avoid - just the general stuff really, how often are the service intervals and ave costs at Audi etc.

Sorry if there's a guide to all this - I have searched I promise

Many thanks in advance,

Andy

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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by AudiPartner » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:08 am

20 to the gallon is probably optimistic. It can be achieved if you want it, but I'd work on an average of 15.

People bang on about how reliable they are, and they probably are, but I have had mine 6 months (2009) and it is currently back at the dealers for the third time. Nothing major (rear washer issue, jammed gear paddle, power door closure failure, faulty oil sensor) but I'm very relieved to have the warranty. In short, my advice is to buy "Approved Used".

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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by cupraandy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:38 am

Arr shame about your experiences, hopefully its all sorted and that's the end of it.

I only have a 3 mile commute to the office so I go for a longer drive on the way home, lots of use evening and weekends so I average around 6-8k miles a year. In the RS6 itll be used a lot more and I know the motorway is best for it. Think the 911 is hovering around 18mpg so its no major blow - guess the RS6 also lives on V-Power.

I will certainly buy it from a dealer, having bought my last two cars from a dealer I am a convert - yes you pay more but if theres a problem like you've had, it more than pays for itself!

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Make the change from a 911?

Post by Shinobi675 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:28 pm

I came from a 996... But couldn't bring myself to sell it as the rs6 handling is night and day worse compared to the 996, it's still very good for a 2tonne car and is predictable which is great. But it's not a Porsche!

Speed wise, wow! It's really fast and lovely.

Petrol. I think over 18 months I'm averaging about 17mpg.

I bought it because i want something that could do huge miles comfortably (massive tick! Lovely place to be). That was fast (massive straight line tick! Not so much corner and braking ticks.). And that I could pick stuff up from wickes without people taking pictures of you putting 8 bags of cement into the passenger seat!

It is a great car, but things to watch out for... Engine oil weeping and the coolant pipe corrosion. Both are an engine out job, just found this out as mines in Mrc as we speak.

The Audi is also a lot more to service than my 996. A major service with Mrc is about £800, compare to £360 odd for the 996 at rpmtechnics. Break disks and pads all round. £1,700 just for parts. So be wary of this.

All in all I have no regrets in having the rs6, but that's only because I didn't sell the 996. Which is pretty much now just very rarely used. Nurburgring and occasional weekend trips. But when I do jump back in it, I love it!
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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by cupraandy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:13 pm

Thanks for the advice, will certainly take heed!

Haha 8 bags of cement on the passenger seat of your 911, brilliant! I also have a 996.

£800 servicing is kind of what I was thinking - prior to the mrs wanting a 500 ive been eyeing a 997 C2s, also £800 service. 996 is just insanely cheap to maintain, certainly a massive bonus to Porsche ownership.

£1700 brakes all round isn't a mile off - RS4 B7 is £1200 so again all in the fast audi ball park.

As for the handling I need to get in an RS6 then. I know its a brute but I was put off the S5 as it was a bit big n heavy. Was hoping that the RS trickery in the C6 would compensate for this. I have a race car in the garage so on the odd occasion now I am able to get that out. But theres nothing better than just looking out the window - seeing the porka there and just going for a blast.

I too do the yearly Ring trip, lads trip in the race car and then summer 14 & 15 took the wife and kids in the 911 :) (Centre Parcs 10 mins away!!) So that's pretty much the only track time the car would see.

Ill go have a look and drive of some, thanks for the heads up and if I do make the plunge will ensure theres no oil or coolant leaks.

Thanks for the tips

Andy

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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by Stevev-RS6 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:29 am

Hi Andy,

Just to add another experience; I've had mine since June last year and has been relativity financially pain free.

I looked at a good few, in and out of the dealer network and in the end, plumped for a car from a non Audi dealer, but a VW / Audi specialist. I purchased on condition rather than getting too het up on the warranty being an absolute must, and there were a couple of things that I was specifically looking for, spec wise.

I've had to do a couple of things, oil sensor and one of the bulbs went within a couple of weeks of getting it, but apart from that it's routine maintenance stuff. I've just had a major service, with the plugs, and a replacement pipe for the windscreen washing fluid, and it was under £700. Finding a good Indi garage that knows the specific foibles of the car(not just a Audi specialist that wouldn't have seen one of these) pays dividends. Saying that, many Audi dealers have started doing fixed price servicing on these as well.

The O ring is a big one to look out for, if there is any sign of oil on the undertray, it's a good indication of its on the way out or gone. It's £800 plus at any decent garage.

On the performance side, although it is a 2 plus tonne car, it does go like no other large exec sized car. It'll stick round corners it has no right to do, and is blisteringly quick. 20 / 30 to *cough,cough* 70 goes past with alarming swiftness. A decent set of tyres is a must and Michelin Pilot Super Sports seem to suit it really well for grip and feel.

If your looking to have a poke around one / go out in one, I'm sure if you let people know where you are, you'll have an offer from a member to do so. If your anywhere near East Sussex, you are more than welcome to do so in mine.


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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by TomRS » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:06 pm

I’ve owned two, bought my first one in March last year, and being honest as I can be it was a total nightmare!

Within a matter of weeks I was having issues, oil leaking from oil pump (dreaded common issue) but I just left it as had plans for various other things and didn’t want to remove the engine for that to happen just yet.
A month after I noticed this, one of my injectors failed causing severe bore wash meaning the engine had to come out and have a rehone, so that was a mega expensive do, £5k all in… and the oil cooler pipe burst spewing oil out all over the place so that was another 1k.
Parts are STUPID expensive, but then some things are silly cheap, genuine HPFP was £150 and took two mins to fit.
Discs and pads are expensive, I bought a set of Tarox’s from a member on here so that got my fronts sorted and pads are the same price as normal Audi pads, rear’s I converted to AP’s cost £740 all in for discs and bells.

I then lost all faith in the car and swapped if plus some cash for a Misano red one, except this time I did my research THIS IS PARAMOUNT – Ring your local audi dealership and ask them for the service record/options list.. that way you can be sure its been maintained and your sure of the options as a lot of dealers don’t put the correct options down.
Secondly ask the service tech to run through what was changed and replaced as they can tell you the notes on the file regarding maintenance.
This one is perfect, it has a little whine from the P/S pump but I was aware of this from day one and the car was cheap enough all things considered, it has a fantastic history file and the previous owner took it to the ring, did various track time etc and never had any issues so that was enough for me.

Gearbox!! Look out for bangs and rough changing into 4th this is the most common gearset to fail especially notchy when cold.
If it feel good (try it in manual mode medium throttle, if you do 2nd to 3rd then compare 3rd to 4th with same rev’s throttle itll give you a good indicator) if it does feel ok get the fluid changed regardless its marked as “sealed for life” but anyone will tell you that’s a load of sh!t.

Drivers seat, wear is quite common on the side bolster more so on the Napa leather than the black but don’t be too put off if it is, its not expensive to put right.

General – 3G mmi is a lot nicer than the 2G but will only be on cars 59 or later, these can be expensive… facelift cars also had a quite a lot of the silly niggles fixed, steering rack issues and the like. (so im told by my audi tech anyway) so if your budget allows try for a 59 or later C6.

Power wise mines 730/800ibft and its an animal, night and day to the stock feel.. if you want to make up for the handling then go see MRC for stg2 map and gearbox flash… transforms an already amazing machine into something truly special.

Other things I can think of is the Secondary Air Injection this is very common to block up and throw a code (no CEL) causes misfires on cold start and overfueling as its not getting enough air in through the Kombi valves, so if you inspecting one take a handheld vag scanner with you or ask them to plug VCDS in and show you any codes right there.

That’s about all I can think of apart from whats been suggested already!


Good luck if you want any info help PM me.
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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by cupraandy » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:39 pm

Oh wow thanks guys! That's some incredibly useful information!! :bowdown:

I thought service history was paramount on the 911, sounds even more so on the RS6!

lol im sure 730bhp is enough to get down the road :beerchug: will certainly put a new slant on "family fun bus"

Im In Southampton and would be great to meet up with you lot if you have a local get together. I will spend some time looking around, researching the cars, the 2G 3G etc and all of the problems you boys have mentioned.

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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by IanH755 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:10 pm

There's a meet at the Hindhead tunnel on the 23rd Jan - details in the "Boxhill" thread in the "Trackdays & Meets" section.
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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by Shinobi675 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:12 pm

Top man Tom! I can vouch for the oil and coolant. My engine is coming out as we speak, I should have checked more before buying... But while the engines out. Might as well stage 2 it!
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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by cupraandy » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:25 pm

Shame im out the country on business on the 23rd Jan. Love the tunnel, my porka may not keep up with you boys but in there itll be the most antisocial!

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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by Shinobi675 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:40 pm

I'm north London. When I get mine back and if you're near. Give me a shout and I'll take you out.
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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by coullstar » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:17 pm

I was looking at these before I purchased my 996 C4s. I need a family car as well with two young kids. Even before buying and driving the 996 I new I would prefer to have the 911 + a cheaper family car and now Im certain that was the best approach.

The RS6 would have been my main car, it therefore would have had the inevitable family damage that occurs regardless of how careful you are. I didn't want that on a nice car. Ive also found if you use something a lot it becomes normal so that the initial wow feeling with the RS6 would dissipate to an extent.
Also if you love the 911 and a car that handles I think you would soon get disappointed with the RS6 handling. As you say 996 are also relatively cheap to maintain so very good bang for buck.

I love the RS6, the overall ability is brilliant but coming from a 911 to it is like chalk and cheese. I reckon you would miss the 911 a lot.
I bought an older A4 Tdi estate which is fine and takes abuse which doesn't bother me. I still have the 996 to play with. If it were me Id go that route if you can afford it. Something like a 3l Tdi A4 or 330d Touring would be good choice for some fun but practical role and you still have the 911 which if anything will be sitting there increasing in value if anything.
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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by cupraandy » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:27 pm

Thanks everyone, lots of great advice. I certainly do need to get behind the wheel of one before I go any deeper I think.

I have the 911 as my daily, lots of family trips in it with the two kids in the back, and my wife has the dirty diesel motorway trawler / take to the shops car. Im now looking to get her a Q5 (or my choice a 335d Coupe) so thatll solve that problem for the moment.....

I get driving it everyday it becomes normal, but then I just take the porka on a little blip and have the biggest smile on my face. Its my race car which sits dormant and neglected in the garage these days. Sadly I wont be allowed a 4th car so if I get an RS6 the Porka will have to be chopped in. (could never part with my race car).

Speaking of appreciating in value - im helping a mate buy a 996 at the moment and the markets just exploded!!! :D so this year is either the year to sell it and make some good money, or keep it and watch it inflate - but then I wouldn't want to drive it everyday, catch 22 :bash:

Gota love motoring eh!

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Re: Make the change from a 911?

Post by coullstar » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:00 pm

To be honest it was also another reason I bought one now, before the went stupid.

I'll own an Rs6 at some point.
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