New R8 V10+??

[W8PMC]

Am currently shortlisting replacements for my F10 M5 early next year & although i had my sights set on a Gen II 991 Turbo S, i thought it worthwhile to consider alternatives at that price point & that lead me to the McLaren 570S but i'm also thinking the new R8 V10+ may be worth a closer look.

I attended the pre launch of the new R8 V10+ & although it looked pretty good, it was sat on the 19" standard wheels & not in a great colour so really didn't look like a £140k car & thus i didn't consider it in my current search. That said a few have told me it really is an amazing piece of kit on the road so thought where better to ask than here.

How would it stack up against a new Turbo S & 570S? I know the 991 will be a fair crack quicker, but in the real world 2.6secs vs. 3.3secs to 62 is hardly a game changer & both are capable of seeing North of 200mph. The 570S i think wins hands down in the looks & badge stakes but is a good £20k dearer with some essential kit.

Any feedback from owners or those who've tried the car out?

I'm hoping for an extended test drive in the R8 over the next couple of weeks, am test driving the 570S later this week & will get the Turbo S for a couple of days in early March when the OPC registers their Demo.

Thanks in advance.

[Ian_C]

Considered the 540 too? If you can resist going for the insanely expensive Caron packs, hell of a car for the money

[doodlebug]

R8 and TTS are the same money give or take though granted you'll get a discount on the R8.

I've driven one and whilst the engine is as good as always the rest is meh. Looks OK, though I'd say the old car was better and the interior doesn't come close to the 911. In my opinion the R8 is overpriced.

Id be looking at 570 as the alternative if I didn't need the seats. But I've concern on Mac residuals as they are constantly shovelling new models out of the door. Used 650 makes more sense at this price point.

[Ian_C]

But I've concern on Mac residuals as they are constantly shovelling new models out of the door. Used 650 makes more sense at this price point.

Agreed. How pissed off would you be having taken delivery of your MP4-12C, only for the 650 S to arrive. And who would buy a five year old MP4 now you can have a faster, brand new 540 for the same price? 540 (and 570) could well have great residuals - I cannot see them dipping below 100k price point for a very long time indeed, or ever dipping below [five year older] MP4s.

PS. Used 650 is 170k+ isn't it?

[Graeme4130]

HI Mate
i know we spoke about this over at PH, but the 991TS is a very different car to the V10+
The 911 is all about insane boost, and the performance in a straight line is absurd. It's better screwed together inside than any audi, and the interior is a lovely place, plus you get semi usable rear seats.
Even more so than the V10+, you could easily drive it every day and it's pretty quiet inside, even considering the road noise from the tyres.
The engine's a brute, but the sound isn't great to be honest. You can throw them around more than you'd expect, and they're a lot more fun than most people seem to assume. Porsche Depreciation is a killer though, and you only have to see what 2014 991TS cars are trading at now to feel that pain.

The V10+ is a noisy beast, and the sound and driving experience is certainly not as 'every day comfortable' as the 911, but when you're on it, I'd say it's a more rewarding car, and sounds and feels every bit a super car. I've had a few days in a V10+ now, and driven an Huracan too, and there's very little in it when the Audi has the sports exhaust.
A porsche carries a certain image though, just in the same way an Audi does, which is way below the market perception of the McL.
I've not driven a 570, so have no idea how they compare.

I can tell you than a V10+ isn't very deer proof though as I found out the hard way during the loan of a demo car

There's some good deals on V10+'s out there at the moment too, and cars are available for pretty quick delivery.
Not sure what the lead time is on a 570, but I expect you'll be waiting >1yr on a new order, and maybe >6 months on a 991.2 Turbo S.
Best bet is to arrange decent test drives close together so you can get some comparison.
McLaren is the brand that will carry the image, and the other two are comparable to each other in pub bragging rights, I'd assume, but still a long way from the McL for Kudos.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I personally think a V10+ in the right colour is a better looking car than the slightly awkward looking 570. Mcl hit the design nail with the 675LT, but everything else they produce in their lower ranges, including the rather ugly 650s, has weird proportions and look pretty disjointed other than from dead straight on.

[doodlebug]

2013 TTS still 100k, I don't think that's too bad! R8 will be no better, likely worse and not sure about the Mac, I suspect they won't be great.

[Ian_C]

I can tell you than a V10+ isn't very deer proof though as I found out the hard way during the loan of a demo car

Yikes! That must have sh!t you up! (although not as much as the deer....)

Hope you didn't have a wacking great excess to pay

Agree - even a poverty spec 540 is going to have way more kudos than even the most loaded V10+ or gen II Turbo S

[doodlebug]

I'm not sure about Mac, all a bit Ron Dennis for me. I like 911 as its all straight forward. Use as a daily, OK to service, insure etc etc.

FF, or F12 if feeling super flush.

[HYFR]

But I've concern on Mac residuals as they are constantly shovelling new models out of the door. Used 650 makes more sense at this price point.

Agreed. How pissed off would you be having taken delivery of your MP4-12C, only for the 650 S to arrive. And who would buy a five year old MP4 now you can have a faster, brand new 540 for the same price? 540 (and 570) could well have great residuals - I cannot see them dipping below 100k price point for a very long time indeed, or ever dipping below [five year older] MP4s.

PS. Used 650 is 170k+ isn't it?

12C is a different proposition to a 570S. Its Carbon tub, trick suspension, trick aero blah blah blah. They have stopped depreciating and are now rising in price - they are incredibly rare.

The 540 / 570 will, in comparison be produced in much higher numbers than the 12C and will dip below £100k in time, but likely level off at £80k with some years and miles on the clock

[doodlebug]

12C 110k, that's same same isn't it?

[HYFR]

in english ?

if you want a good spec with normal miles 12C its £120k +

[doodlebug]

I.e. Price pretty stable. Not many to choose from on PH, not that many more than 120k.

[Graeme4130]

I had a brief drive of a 12c and it was bloody ballistic.
In my very limited experience of these types of supercars, it's not a touch on a 458, which is an incredible car and also bloody ballistic
Bloody ugly too

[Surrey Sam]

120-130k puts you into low mileage 991 GT3 territory and that's where my money would go...ooohhh that engine .

[Graeme4130]

120-130k puts you into low mileage 991 GT3 territory and that's where my money would go...ooohhh that engine .

well documented problematic engine, which on many uk cars, is soon going to be out of (or very nearly out of) 3yr warranty
Big bills in the post