Extended test drive
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Extended test drive
As some of you know, I've been in the market for an R8V10 Weekend car for a while now
Initially, it was always a Gallardo that I had my heart set on, but around a year ago, I had a short drive of a V10+ and any thoughts of a Gallardo, and the extra cost and hassle that goes with it, went out the window
Anyway, to cut a long story short, after some pestering, Audi came up trumps with a few days in one of their cars as an extended test drive for me to see how I could live with the car and to try simple things like seeing if would fit in my garage or whether I could handle it on a long motorway run in the rain etc (it'll be a weekend car, not a daily car, but you never know when these long drives will come up)
On Tuesday28th Oct, Audi rocked up at my house with an 1800mile old 64 plate V10. The spec wasn't exactly how i'd choose it, but it's a nice looking car none the less ;
Ibis white
Manual
Black leather
Silver side blades (?!?)
Chrome polished wheels
Illuminated side sills
Reversing camera
Apart from one day in my RS4 mountain biking, I used the car everyday as my day to day car to see how it handled the mundane tasks as well as good driving days, and to get a good feel for it.
Trips included some of the uk's finest driving roads in north wales around the area of the Evo triangle, a trip to silverstone to watch Formula Fords/Classics and a day of business in central London
I think i tested the car out pretty well, and it's certainly an impressive beast. Personally, I'd go carbon blades/dark wheels every time, and I think the illuminated side sills were tack and the reversing camera essential, but by the end of the time, i started to think that the silver blades and chrome wheels give what's an ageing car a fairly modern look. Not my cup of tea personally, but still not as bad as I thought it might be.
Anyway, I've taken a load of pictures of the car ;
Now my dilemma though ;
The best deal I've found through a dealer for the spec V10+ I'd want (Ibis or Suzuka with black GT wheels, buckets and reversing camera/B&O) is £117k
This'd be a reach for me currently for a 3rd car, so I'd want to go into with an eye on not losing a fortune.
Given that the next R8 is due out next year, I suspect the value of later model cars will plummet drastically and I'd take a massive bath on it.
If I put down £60k and financed the rest with monthly payments and possibly a small balloon, then the car would be depreciating faster than I was paying it off, and that's not a great position to be in
(Bear in mind that when it comes to car value judgements, I'm pretty poor at it - I was offered a 997.2 GT3RS for circa £65k 18months ago and turned it down as I though it'd lose money when the 991GT3 came out - how wrong was I now they're trading for £140k, doh!)
Early V10+'s are now starting to go for around £85, but not dropping much below that and prices seem to be levelling off (Cheapest I've seen is a silver one for around 85)
Early V10's are settled at around 65-70 and it's rare anything drops much below that - There's an attraction in getting an early Manual car as at least I could buy that for cash rather than getting into a finance agreement and sit it out until the 2015 model turns up
My questions for the collective 246 knowledge then is ;
1) Are early V10+'s likely to drop into Mid 70's as they seem to have reached a lower price platea ?
2) Given that the next R8 is on a shared platform with the Huracan, which I believe will only take a DSG box, so no manual - I suspect this will result in manual current shape V10's holding their value better than Stronic ?
3) If I hold out for the next R8 and the V10 is at an increased price point compared to the current model ?, this will put me out of the market all together
Initially, it was always a Gallardo that I had my heart set on, but around a year ago, I had a short drive of a V10+ and any thoughts of a Gallardo, and the extra cost and hassle that goes with it, went out the window
Anyway, to cut a long story short, after some pestering, Audi came up trumps with a few days in one of their cars as an extended test drive for me to see how I could live with the car and to try simple things like seeing if would fit in my garage or whether I could handle it on a long motorway run in the rain etc (it'll be a weekend car, not a daily car, but you never know when these long drives will come up)
On Tuesday28th Oct, Audi rocked up at my house with an 1800mile old 64 plate V10. The spec wasn't exactly how i'd choose it, but it's a nice looking car none the less ;
Ibis white
Manual
Black leather
Silver side blades (?!?)
Chrome polished wheels
Illuminated side sills
Reversing camera
Apart from one day in my RS4 mountain biking, I used the car everyday as my day to day car to see how it handled the mundane tasks as well as good driving days, and to get a good feel for it.
Trips included some of the uk's finest driving roads in north wales around the area of the Evo triangle, a trip to silverstone to watch Formula Fords/Classics and a day of business in central London
I think i tested the car out pretty well, and it's certainly an impressive beast. Personally, I'd go carbon blades/dark wheels every time, and I think the illuminated side sills were tack and the reversing camera essential, but by the end of the time, i started to think that the silver blades and chrome wheels give what's an ageing car a fairly modern look. Not my cup of tea personally, but still not as bad as I thought it might be.
Anyway, I've taken a load of pictures of the car ;
Now my dilemma though ;
The best deal I've found through a dealer for the spec V10+ I'd want (Ibis or Suzuka with black GT wheels, buckets and reversing camera/B&O) is £117k
This'd be a reach for me currently for a 3rd car, so I'd want to go into with an eye on not losing a fortune.
Given that the next R8 is due out next year, I suspect the value of later model cars will plummet drastically and I'd take a massive bath on it.
If I put down £60k and financed the rest with monthly payments and possibly a small balloon, then the car would be depreciating faster than I was paying it off, and that's not a great position to be in
(Bear in mind that when it comes to car value judgements, I'm pretty poor at it - I was offered a 997.2 GT3RS for circa £65k 18months ago and turned it down as I though it'd lose money when the 991GT3 came out - how wrong was I now they're trading for £140k, doh!)
Early V10+'s are now starting to go for around £85, but not dropping much below that and prices seem to be levelling off (Cheapest I've seen is a silver one for around 85)
Early V10's are settled at around 65-70 and it's rare anything drops much below that - There's an attraction in getting an early Manual car as at least I could buy that for cash rather than getting into a finance agreement and sit it out until the 2015 model turns up
My questions for the collective 246 knowledge then is ;
1) Are early V10+'s likely to drop into Mid 70's as they seem to have reached a lower price platea ?
2) Given that the next R8 is on a shared platform with the Huracan, which I believe will only take a DSG box, so no manual - I suspect this will result in manual current shape V10's holding their value better than Stronic ?
3) If I hold out for the next R8 and the V10 is at an increased price point compared to the current model ?, this will put me out of the market all together
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Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat
Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat
Re: Extended test drive
1) yes they will reach mid £70s
2) no manuals are more plentiful that RT/ ST and cheaper to spec new, so supply and demand equalibrimim takes hold
3) yes, new V10 with spec will be £130-£150k and will lose 40% of that after 3/4yrs .... So unless you want to do that then I would say you are priced out.
All IMO of course
I don't know why you just don't go out and buy a £65k V10 now and stop procrastinating .... If you don't like it or change your mind, punt it on. You won't loose anything...I'm just in the process of selling my 5th R8 (deposit taken) and collectively they have cost me less to run than average Joe spends on. Brand new Ford Focus on PCP
2) no manuals are more plentiful that RT/ ST and cheaper to spec new, so supply and demand equalibrimim takes hold
3) yes, new V10 with spec will be £130-£150k and will lose 40% of that after 3/4yrs .... So unless you want to do that then I would say you are priced out.
All IMO of course
I don't know why you just don't go out and buy a £65k V10 now and stop procrastinating .... If you don't like it or change your mind, punt it on. You won't loose anything...I'm just in the process of selling my 5th R8 (deposit taken) and collectively they have cost me less to run than average Joe spends on. Brand new Ford Focus on PCP
Re: Extended test drive
HYFR, what will you buy next?. Another R8?.
Too much power is barely enough.
Re: Extended test drive
Couple irons in the fire...
I have found the R8 V10 to be THE most reliable Audi I have ever owned, and I've had a few.
I've done prob 20-30k over 4 of them and not had a single issue
I have found the R8 V10 to be THE most reliable Audi I have ever owned, and I've had a few.
I've done prob 20-30k over 4 of them and not had a single issue
Re: Extended test drive
Dave, come round an I'll let you drive my GT... it's a total different animal to the V10 and the Plus. ( not selling tho)HYFR wrote:Couple irons in the fire...
I have found the R8 V10 to be THE most reliable Audi I have ever owned, and I've had a few.
I've done prob 20-30k over 4 of them and not had a single issue
Too much power is barely enough.
Re: Extended test drive
Graeme - you sure piled a few miles onto that V10! Top effort! Great to see a 64 plate manual - very rare these days.
As DK says - and you pretty much said it yourself too G - pick up an early manual V10 to run around in while the facelift plus models come down in price a bit.
As DK says - and you pretty much said it yourself too G - pick up an early manual V10 to run around in while the facelift plus models come down in price a bit.
Surely this was a non-RS GT3 for 65k? Would still be a very good price for the plain GT3! The RS models would always 90k+?Graeme4130 wrote:I was offered a 997.2 GT3RS for circa £65k 18months ago
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Re: Extended test drive
My two penneth, if I was looking for a weekend car, I'd be looking at GT3 in whatever form, 991 if you can find one. It's not going to shed major cash long term and it's an awesome piece of kit.
As much as I like a lot about the existing R8, there's a lot that shows its age, but I guess it depends what the priorities are. As a weekend car, tech and interior become less of an issue, and in that respect I'm with DK, buy a manual V10 now, wait and see what lands with the new R8 and 991 facelift.
As much as I like a lot about the existing R8, there's a lot that shows its age, but I guess it depends what the priorities are. As a weekend car, tech and interior become less of an issue, and in that respect I'm with DK, buy a manual V10 now, wait and see what lands with the new R8 and 991 facelift.
Re: Extended test drive
As much as the ICE is ancient and the interior is abit TT, as an emotional machine, it really is still up there.
When combined to a Capristo, you truley have the LP560-4 sound behind you, it still turns heads like it's just been released and the pure driving experience in terms of power, grip, feel is still fantastic
For £65k with zero depreciation I challenge anyone to find something that does all of that
When combined to a Capristo, you truley have the LP560-4 sound behind you, it still turns heads like it's just been released and the pure driving experience in terms of power, grip, feel is still fantastic
For £65k with zero depreciation I challenge anyone to find something that does all of that
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Re: Extended test drive
It's good to hear about the reliability Dave, as having an out of warranty Audi could keep me up at night after the bills I've seen through the warranties of my last rs4'sHYFR wrote:As much as the ICE is ancient and the interior is abit TT, as an emotional machine, it really is still up there.
When combined to a Capristo, you truley have the LP560-4 sound behind you, it still turns heads like it's just been released and the pure driving experience in terms of power, grip, feel is still fantastic
For £65k with zero depreciation I challenge anyone to find something that does all of that
R8's are dating, but not much ;
I'd be nitpicking, but the sat/nav Audio is old fashioned and the thin rim of the steering wheel portrays it's age, but other than that, it's right up there with cars not of an 8-10yr old design
The gt3 I was offered was an RS. It belonged to a friend and £65 was what he was offered for it against an Aventador. Christ, I wish I'd snapped that up
I hadn't considered a 991 gt3 as they're barely available, and when they are, they're £130+
Plus, I suspect they're a better car than I'm a driver, whereas a 4wd r8 is pretty easy to drive hard in most conditions, even with my limited skill level
It's such a big expense for me, I really want to make the right decision both emotionally and financially
How's the jag going ? Bet it sounds nuts
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Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat
Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat
Re: Extended test drive
Oh dear that is pretty horrific.Graeme4130 wrote:The gt3 I was offered was an RS. It belonged to a friend and £65 was what he was offered for it against an Aventador. Christ, I wish I'd snapped that up
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Re: Extended test drive
I'm not in a Jag yet G
Picking something new up tomorrow thou ....
Just do it .... Buy one with Audi warranty thou. They are super reliable but I dare say IF something did go wrong t might be a big bill
You really can't go wrong with a V10 R8 for £65k
Make sure it's black leather, CF blade, <30k and you'll be fine.
It will depreciate in a year less than your RS 4 will depreciate in a month
Picking something new up tomorrow thou ....
Just do it .... Buy one with Audi warranty thou. They are super reliable but I dare say IF something did go wrong t might be a big bill
You really can't go wrong with a V10 R8 for £65k
Make sure it's black leather, CF blade, <30k and you'll be fine.
It will depreciate in a year less than your RS 4 will depreciate in a month
Re: Extended test drive
I know a couple of extremely tasty V10's up for sale right now but both RT. Still stuck on a manual?
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SOLD: R8 V10: Exclusive OEM + Spec: http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=103976
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Re: Extended test drive
IMO manual is best for R8 V10, unless you gave the option of S Tronic, which for me makes the car.
Baring in mind that I've had a number of R8's now, they are a phenomenal machine. My neighbour is a prestige independent dealer, sells all top end stuff. He didn't get the R8 until I took him out in my old white V10 manual. Now he absolutely loves them, in his words they are the best all round super car.
Found out yesterday the car I refer to above was written off this week, fortunately the owner is safe and sound. The deer won!!!!
Baring in mind that I've had a number of R8's now, they are a phenomenal machine. My neighbour is a prestige independent dealer, sells all top end stuff. He didn't get the R8 until I took him out in my old white V10 manual. Now he absolutely loves them, in his words they are the best all round super car.
Found out yesterday the car I refer to above was written off this week, fortunately the owner is safe and sound. The deer won!!!!
Re: Extended test drive
+1 on manual
Re: Extended test drive
If you are into a manual, here's a lovely low miler.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261651214354? ... EBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261651214354? ... EBIDX%3AIT
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