APS remap, Milltek exhaust and GruppeM fitted today

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APS remap, Milltek exhaust and GruppeM fitted today

Post by sonny » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:57 am

Well I did it, I finally got round to modding the RS4, a year of mod free ownership came to an end today, and boy was it worth it!

I drove a 210 mile round trip topday to APS who are located in Brackly to have the GruppeM fitted, along with a SS cat back Milltek exhaust, and a APS remap.

The guys at APS was very helpful and very knowledgeable in every thing VAG, so I actually felt safe in handing them my car (makes a change), they started of by changing all the spark plugs to Audi Issue NGKs (total of 8 ), then they fitted the GruppeM induction kit and Milltek exhaust, the Milltek is a SS cat back, Non resonated system that still retains the valves, I wanted these as it is linked to the sports mode and dramatically makes the car loud and alters its performance, but at times it is nice to have the choice of being a bit "covert" at times!

4 hours later the guys finished my car, and when fired up, I was rather shocked at how loud it was, it nearly shook the office to bits, Ed assured me it would not be this loud and was only the resonance caused by it being in a confined space! :twisted: (yea cant wait to start it up on a ice cold morning hehe)

Ed the handed me the keys I was somewhat nervous as to how it would perform, I had a nice 110 mile trip back to Kent, so I was gagging to get going. When I started the car the engine fired into action, you could hear it sucking for a moment thought he GruppeM, then idled down to around 1100rmp while the choke compensated for the cold morning, then settled to around 850 rpm...WOW, what a noise, very deep and mature sound, it gets better, when driving in non sports mode its rather "Modest" to say the least, and I also noticed how responsive the car felt, I actually felt a difference. Then I drove onto the highway, I seized my opportunity and pushed the sports button...OH MY GOD, what a noise and the performance, this car actually feels like it has 440bhp (as suspected with the modifications), the Roar from the induction system is immense, the car now has the "snap you back in your seat" feeling again..even more than it already did!

Performance gains, Ok we all know that company's are a bit "excessive" about there performance gains, this is the brake down of gains, RS4 420bhp, GruppeM 7.4bhp, Exhaust 4bhp, Remap 20bhp, so this would put the car around 451bhp at the fly wheel, the RS4 has quattro system, these beasts do soak up a lot of power,so any thing up to 50bhp, so food for though, I will at some point put it on the rollers, so watch this space in the new year

So was it worth it...Yes, would I change any thing, Maybe replace the OEM air box as its a little too loud on full revs, however, I'M waiting for the system to bed in as the exhaust needs at least 2k! so we shall see. overall I am very pleased and impressed, especially with APS, they did a very good job, I recommend these guys to any one, very good price too.

I will take some photos of the GruppeM and Milltek tomorrow, and at some point will host a few sound clips via YouTube

P.S, Note that some of the above was written for non Audi enthusiasts for a performance forum, so no egg sucking here gents lol
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Post by S2tuner » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:28 am

Good report but I think you'll be lucky if you ever saw 450 BHP out of your car... try to look for various dyno plots posted over the last 2 years, you might find out that the average is hardly ever over 380 BHP and you'll be lucky if you have a car that has a tad over 400 stock...

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Post by sonny » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:37 am

Yes I was under the impression its around 380 at the wheels, and yes Im aware that the power is no where near those figures, however I have noticed a huge difference on my car with what I had done....so I do reckon its in around the 350-380 bhp at the wheel (maybe I could be wrong).
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Post by S2tuner » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:46 am

I was saying 380 at the crank, not at the wheels!!! Most B7 RS4s out there only have around 380 crank, not wheel HP. check forum for dyno plots but you won't find a B7 that dynoed 420 crank HP 100% stock yet.

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Post by sonny » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:31 am

Ok did not realise it was at the crank, my bad, makes sense i suppose, I only included that bit in the write up as a overview to what the manufactures was claiming!
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Post by ArthurPE » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:35 am

how would you ever measure FW HP?
you have to remove the engine and do it on an engine stand dyno

you can only measure wheel torque, and back calculate HP ASSUMING a loss factor...
hardly an exact science or method...

the engine is rated and CERTIFIED by the SAE at 420 HP (SAE) here in the states...
this is certifiable...

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Post by Andyuk911 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:00 am

ArthurPE wrote:how would you ever measure FW HP?
you have to remove the engine and do it on an engine stand dyno

you can only measure wheel torque, and back calculate HP ASSUMING a loss factor...
hardly an exact science or method...

the engine is rated and CERTIFIED by the SAE at 420 HP (SAE) here in the states...
this is certifiable...
You are correct, however what MRC are saying based on their knowledge that using any dyno, no bog standard RS4 B7 has made the full 414bhp(420ps).

Agree the number are back calculated and thus not 100% accurate. My car was dynoed at 390BHP and I am sure with the manifold mod, it would make the claimed number(back calculated, of course).
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Post by pippyrips » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:28 am

It’s no secret the they don't make the claimed figures out of the box, and I very much doubt that an exhaust/map & gruppe m would get it to 440 - even from if you were starting from 414.

That said, it’s not all about figures anyway, drivability is key and APS defiantly seem to be able to improve this. Once the manifold mod results are confirmed I will more than likely be heading to APS myself.

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Post by sonny » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:38 pm

pippyrips wrote:It’s no secret the they don't make the claimed figures out of the box, and I very much doubt that an exhaust/map & gruppe m would get it to 440 - even from if you were starting from 414.

That said, it’s not all about figures anyway, drivability is key and APS defiantly seem to be able to improve this. Once the manifold mod results are confirmed I will more than likely be heading to APS myself.
Yes you right Pippyrips, drivability has been improved, my car is on 24k now, and they say that these engines get better with age.
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Post by SR71 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:22 pm

I'll happily volunteer my car to MRC for them to do the "manifold mod" on and see if I get back 414hp!

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Post by S2tuner » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:32 pm

SR71 wrote:I'll happily volunteer my car to MRC for them to do the "manifold mod" on and see if I get back 414hp!

:lol:

We'd be curious to test this too in fact... so why not?

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Post by pippyrips » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:41 pm

S2tuner wrote:
SR71 wrote:I'll happily volunteer my car to MRC for them to do the "manifold mod" on and see if I get back 414hp!

:lol:

We'd be curious to test this too in fact... so why not?
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Post by ArthurPE » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:42 pm

the SAE in the US certifies the Audi engine to make 420 HP (SAE std), so does Audi
if they lied, especially in the US, they'd be setting theirselves up for a lawsuit...it's been done already with other companies
until I see a 'certified' number from a recognized source such as Audi or the Society of Automotive Engineers (on whose stds/specs all US laws/regs are based)
anything else is idle speculation at best...

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Post by david7m » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:59 pm

Is the "manifold mod" from "now I love it" thread?

Although I don't and prob never will own an RS4, i'd be interested in seeing the before mod and after mod bhp figures!

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Post by PetrolDave » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:10 pm

ArthurPE wrote:the SAE in the US certifies the Audi engine to make 420 HP (SAE std), so does Audi
if they lied, especially in the US, they'd be setting theirselves up for a lawsuit...it's been done already with other companies
until I see a 'certified' number from a recognized source such as Audi or the Society of Automotive Engineers (on whose stds/specs all US laws/regs are based)
anything else is idle speculation at best...
The problem is that people make the assertion "the RS4 engine does not make 420PS" based on the assumed powertrain losses used on a RR - and like anything you "assume" it makes an ASS of U and ME.

The ONLY measurement that means anything is removing the engine from your car and putting it onto an engine dyno which measures power/torque at the flywheel.

As said by ArthurPE "anything else is idle speculation at best"...

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