GF56 ZXP

[highrise]

Hi,

Does anyone know this car?

GF56 ZXP

Thanks all.

[chive90]

Isn't this the Blue Avant on eBay priced at 40 grand?

[highrise]

Not sure about eBay but in a dealer.

[chive90]

This car?: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305738569914 ... SwT-Bm3S31

Absurdly overpriced. There's a red saloon on the same mileage for 10 grand less on Autotrader and even that's been sat for 2 months struggling to sell.

[highrise]

What do you think a fair price would be?

[chive90]

£28-£32k depending on the condition of all the typical failure points on these cars that are even more evident on cars exactly like this one that have only averaged 2,000 miles per year. This particular car hasn't even completed 500 miles in the last decade - that would massively concern me.

If the DRC is in excellent condition, possibly been replaced/re-gassed, oil cooler has been done, it's had a carbon clean in its life and it's had brakes changed, then ~£32k based on mileage, colour/spec and the current market.

If it is like many B7's on this sort of mileage that have spent almost all of their lives not being driven thus causing bushes to perish, bolts to seize, leaky DRC, seized valves on exhaust, original oil cooler & lines, original brakes - etc then £28k at a push because all you are paying for at this point is the mileage number on the dash, and you'll need another £8k minimum to address all of the above.

Don't get me wrong we all want a low mileage car. I was one of them. I viewed a low 30k mileage B7 before buying mine and it was in such a sorry state mechanically from lack of use. These big V8 engines are not designed to cover 500 miles in a decade! Has it used the same oil across these 500 miles, or has the oil still been changed every year? These engines hate old oil, regardless of the miles covered.

In summary as well, they are having an absolute laugh at that price with the current state of the market. I keep an eye on it daily and there are around 10 low mileage (sub 65k) RS4's on Autotrader at the moment, they've been on there for months and they aren't shifting, despite reduction after reduction. If it was 1 or 2 you could say well maybe they are just bad examples, but 10? There's some really good, clean cars amongst the 10, and none are selling. As mentioned in my other post, there's one on exactly the same mileage as this, almost £10k less and no interest. These cars have plummeted in value sadly, which sucks as an owner. It's certainly a buyer's market.

[daytonamart]

Interesting find this one, the MOT history is worth checking too.

It's sketchy at best with a couple of worrying fails, missing wheel bolts..... wtf?

[chive90]

Interesting find this one, the MOT history is worth checking too.

It's sketchy at best with a couple of worrying fails, missing wheel bolts..... wtf?

Yeah I thought the same, odd but as I said in my post above really not uncommon to see poor maintenance on ones that have been sitting around for years. That's what puts me off them. Looks like it did 34,000 miles within the first 3.5 years of its life, then hardly anything since. SORN for the last 8 years too.

[highrise]

Yes, I agree with the above. The dealer doesn't seem to think it has had a carbon clean, they do an 'extensive modern classic preparation' before handing over, new tyres etc.

Once you start driving an RS4 that's been sitting for 10 years there will be a bunch of new issues. You would ideally want to take it to a specialist to give it a proper going over, even then you know something will need doing once it hits the road again.

I'm looking for a lower mileage B7 RS4 as a keeper. I have a daily driven 140k b7 RS4 which is great but I want one to keep as a classic.

Maybe this is the reason for the higher priced lower miles cars, they are probably being priced as investments or aimed at long-term keeper buyers.

[highrise]

Interesting find this one, the MOT history is worth checking too.

It's sketchy at best with a couple of worrying fails, missing wheel bolts..... wtf?

I had Kwik Fit leave a wheel nut off my i3, I went straight to the MOT and they failed it, so annoying. So it does happen.

[chive90]

Yes, I agree with the above. The dealer doesn't seem to think it has had a carbon clean, they do an 'extensive modern classic preparation' before handing over, new tyres etc.

Once you start driving an RS4 that's been sitting for 10 years there will be a bunch of new issues. You would ideally want to take it to a specialist to give it a proper going over, even then you know something will need doing once it hits the road again.

I'm looking for a lower mileage B7 RS4 as a keeper. I have a daily driven 140k b7 RS4 which is great but I want one to keep as a classic.

Maybe this is the reason for the higher priced lower miles cars, they are probably being priced as investments or aimed at long-term keeper buyers.

Yeah that's fair enough. I'm actually in a similar position in that I already have one that I will continue to add miles to but have always longed for a low-ish mileage Imola Saloon that I would love to buy if one ever became available, although I appreciate that is a needle in a haystack.

I'm sure it's a great car but regardless of what angle they are coming at with it, it's still overpriced. If you're seriously interested in it you could pay for a private pre-purchase inspection. If they've got nothing to hide there's no reason they'd decline you doing that. They will of course sell you the "We do our own rigorous checks, blah blah" line, but as you're already aware these are quite niche cars so a dealer doing some 'checks' vs a seasoned Audi mechanic who has worked on these cars checking every element for you would be much better peace of mind. Anything found could be used as wriggle room on the price.

Ultimately it's worth whatever you are prepared to pay for it and I acknowledge my posts on this matter can come across a little direct but when the market is as poor as it is I don't want to see anyone get ripped off.

Here's the other 37k miler for reference/if anyone else is interested in it: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-detail ... 8233194547

[highrise]

Yes, I'm trying to gauge how these things are priced.

I know enough about my own car to walk into the showroom and find at least 10k worth of work on it!

I appreciate the discussion, direct is good. I think the hunt for a good low miles car to cherish isn't going to be quick but I do feel a slight sense that the market is starting to see the lower-mile cars as collectable and prices for these will rise. I don't want to leave it too long.. I'm still scarred by the yellow 25k Integrale Evo 2 I didn't buy 10 years ago, some are listed for a 100k now!

[daytonamart]

I actually called the dealer on this car when it came up for sale and asked a lot of questions, most around the fact it had been sat around for so long, they were very reasonable to my questioning and did appreciate the "8 years of none movement" issues.

I was slightly disappointed to see Contis go on the car not Michelins when they replaced the original tyres but hey ho, my gut feel is that after this much time sat still the engine with not be too happy, maybe this is okay for an investment....?

I also feel you'll be into one hose after another, then an oil cooler pipe into an air con hose followed by a stuck flap or two.

My solution would be to negotiate a reasonable price and get the dealer to include an extended warranty, use the car and hope for the best whilst expecting the worst.

If not, it's 32-34k for me.

[chive90]

Yes, I'm trying to gauge how these things are priced.

I know enough about my own car to walk into the showroom and find at least 10k worth of work on it!

I appreciate the discussion, direct is good. I think the hunt for a good low miles car to cherish isn't going to be quick but I do feel a slight sense that the market is starting to see the lower-mile cars as collectable and prices for these will rise. I don't want to leave it too long.. I'm still scarred by the yellow 25k Integrale Evo 2 I didn't buy 10 years ago, some are listed for a 100k now!

Haha yeah it's always difficult to time things right. I bought my RS4 in the covid era so paid a premium and have lost a small fortune with what they are going for now, but it is what it is.

I actually called the dealer on this car when it came up for sale and asked a lot of questions, most around the fact it had been sat around for so long, they were very reasonable to my questioning and did appreciate the "8 years of none movement" issues.

I was slightly disappointed to see Contis go on the car not Michelins when they replaced the original tyres but hey ho, my gut feel is that after this much time sat still the engine with not be too happy, maybe this is okay for an investment....?

I also feel you'll be into one hose after another, then an oil cooler pipe into an air con hose followed by a stuck flap or two.

My solution would be to negotiate a reasonable price and get the dealer to include an extended warranty, use the car and hope for the best whilst expecting the worst.

If not, it's 32-34k for me.

Agreed on the above. If it's going to be more of an ornament and go to the occasional show and shine once per year, probably not too much to worry about.
But if the car is going to be enjoyed and driven, even if only a few hundred miles per year, I'd absolutely want an extended warranty, pre-purchase inspection and some health checks at an Audi/B7 specialist.

Would you ever feel comfortable taking it to 8k RPM after it being sat still for 8 years not knowing what age oil had been in it etc.

[highrise]

I posted a while back about a 217 mile car ( or something super low ). I'm sure the person who bought it was here on the forum. It would be interesting to see what the car needed. Although, I'm guessing it's not being driven given the crazy low milage, kind of an ornament at that point.