2 engineers (one of them I believe is an automotive one) busily trying to make a case for the problem. FunnyArthurPE wrote:a man of reason...
road conditions have much to do with it, as I suspect right hand drive does...
US roads are generally good in rural areas, less so in urban...
and of the few DRC failues most have been in the cities...
the shocks face a substantial service duty:
heavy car, assume and average load of 2 ~4400 lbs
60% on front ~1300/wheel, or for a better balanced car ~ 5200 lbs net
add the quattro torque load and large brakes and you get the point...
(Spain scored!!!!!)
add in system complexity, 170 to 200 psi operating pressure and a non-compressible fluid (as opposed to gas shocks) and they will wear faster..
what is an acceptable life span?guys who buy the Stasis sytem have to rebuild annually...
perhaps our expectations are unrealistic to some degree...
PetrolDave wrote:Audi engineers extensively test on German roads - which are (mostly) billiard table smooth so they will not have seen any DRC issues.
The problem isn't engineering, it's the "bean counters" who prevent the engineers from testing under global road conditions to both limit costs and meet (too) tight launch schedules. Ask any engineer working for any European company - they'll tell you exactly the same thing.
UK test site such as Millbrook have roads to simulate Belgian pave and US manholes, so it IS possible to test under global road conditions in Europe - contrary to what the "bean counters" think.
P.S. The shock absorbers on my wife's Skoda need replacing after only 25,000 miles - at least the shock absorbers on my RS4 lasted 44,000 miles...
As fair play, I am sure you will ask ArthurPe the same question,about his assertion of 0.1% or was it lower than too?P_G wrote:Where are the FACTS to say it is 25%+? Do you have a report from Audi AG based on an assessment compiled from all the production RS4's that were built by them of how many have DRC failure?NIKKIrsSIXX wrote:2. No amount of clever sums will get away from the FACT that it is 25%+ of all B7 cars that suffer this sub 50k.
If so please share as I imagine we would all be interested to see the figures.
NIKKIrsSIXX wrote:Sorry not fact my previous post I retract that statement. Blaming 8 pints during World Cup Final.
Not anyone, I agree with you. I'd expect the number to be around 25%. Anyone who states, categorically, that it is <1% is mistaken, deluded or has a reason to state this (e.g. works for Audi). Particularly when no evidence is forthcoming.NIKKIrsSIXX wrote:I still think its a higher number than anyone thinks.
Not sure NIKKI was told here it was 30000. Even then it's not a good failure rate.NIKKIrsSIXX wrote:I thought they made around 10,000 RS4's so the 133 reported failures here would mean 1%+ at least!
Do Audi have to report failures to the feds in the States? Would they if they didn't have to or could Audi describe it as 'wear and tear' rather than a failure? I suspect they wouldn't report it if they could get away with it for a variety of reasons from a corporate level down to the fact that the technician didn't have the time and /or the inclination to do the paperwork even if it was a legal requirement. There are many ways to skin a cat. Believe me I know, I've made a career out of it......Sims wrote:I case and Audi America launch a recall.ArthurPE wrote:..
I checked the federal auto safety site...only 1 RS4 reported for leaking shocks...after review of the mfgs records, no trend was noted, and it does not present a safety hazard...case closed...
Denial mode again.
Sims, you are just being silly now!!Sims wrote:As fair play, I am sure you will ask ArthurPe the same questionP_G wrote:Where are the FACTS to say it is 25%+? Do you have a report from Audi AG based on an assessment compiled from all the production RS4's that were built by them of how many have DRC failure?NIKKIrsSIXX wrote:2. No amount of clever sums will get away from the FACT that it is 25%+ of all B7 cars that suffer this sub 50k.
If so please share as I imagine we would all be interested to see the figures.
I meant P_G askSims wrote:I hope it will, for over here we need to grapple with the issues & reality. Rather than be deflected by some negative agenda.
ArthurPE for his facts Exactly. Some people are refusing to have it tho. Without this forum it would have cost me hundreds of pounds by now.....aidanjaye wrote:The fact that the DRC has been highlighted by this forum is great - how else will new owners be aware of situation.
cash money money. exactlyaidanjaye wrote:But if you have designed a system that has inherant faults, would you advertise it. Think Porsche and Boxter engine failures.......
What won't happen?rs4v8 wrote:Sims, you are just being silly now!!Sims wrote:As fair play, I am sure you will ask ArthurPe the same questionP_G wrote: Where are the FACTS to say it is 25%+? Do you have a report from Audi AG based on an assessment compiled from all the production RS4's that were built by them of how many have DRC failure?
If so please share as I imagine we would all be interested to see the figures.
You know, I know and everyone else knows, that just won't happen.
P_G wrote:What won't happen?rs4v8 wrote:Sims, you are just being silly now!!Sims wrote:
As fair play, I am sure you will ask ArthurPe the same question
You know, I know and everyone else knows, that just won't happen.
Like said I'm pretty sure from reading his posts Arthur is quoting numbers he got from AOA like I said in a previous post so they do not pertain to the entire production run of RS4's and as I said previously I am sure he can correct me if I am wrong in saying that. So I have given him the opportunity to comment.
Does that keep the fish wives happy?
Pretty sure? or only a wee bit sure? Mind and get the FACTS now won't you....P_G wrote:What won't happen?rs4v8 wrote:Sims, you are just being silly now!!Sims wrote: As fair play, I am sure you will ask ArthurPe the same question
You know, I know and everyone else knows, that just won't happen.
Like said I'm pretty sure from reading his posts Arthur is quoting numbers he got from AOA like I said in a previous post so they do not pertain to the entire production run of RS4's and as I said previously I am sure he can correct me if I am wrong in saying that. So I have given him the opportunity to comment.
Does that keep the fish wives happy?
RS4v8, let's face it what Arthur thinks is irrelevant to all here except to a handful of people. You will never get any information out of him for reasons that are obvious. Arthur did allude to the fact he got some free oil from Audirs4v8 wrote: Pretty sure? or only a wee bit sure? Mind and get the FACTS now won't you....
Are you honestly telling me that AoA are going to release sensitive corporate information into the public domain?
Are you also suggesting that Arthur has AoA info which covers only US cars? You are his mate and expect that you have been busy little bees on the pm. Perhaps a wee slip there P_G??
How can he possibly use AoA / US only data and extrapolate it to the 30000 cars worldwide and still have FACTUAL information? He was / is very clear in stating the 30000 cars (worldwide) in his argument...
You're the guys who are berating my argument for having no FACTS. Where does this little gem you've let slip leave yours??????
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