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Post by aidanjaye » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:11 pm

klauster wrote:I think my RS4 is still the best looking vs price vs performance car there is on the road, otherwise I would have changed it by now! I love it, and an ancient Porsche, which looks dated in my opinion wouldn't make it on my list in a million years, even it it is fractionally faster.... simple as that!

AND not forgetting the new price of an RS4 comparedto 911 turbo. You could have bought a RS4 saloon and an avant for the cost of a porsche 911 turbo...

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Post by sonny » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:47 pm

klauster wrote:I think my RS4 is still the best looking vs price vs performance car there is on the road, otherwise I would have changed it by now! I love it, and an ancient Porsche, which looks dated in my opinion wouldn't make it on my list in a million years, even it it is fractionally faster.... simple as that!
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Post by P_G » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:49 pm

Dom81 wrote:
RS_Y4Z wrote:The seats are actually comfier on a long drive compared to the Buckets in my RS4
So on a par with the Recaros then
RS_Y4Z wrote:I may not have had issues with carbon build up on the RS4 but thats maybe because it only had 15K when I purchased it and 21K when I part ex'd it! But theres so much talk of it on this forum it was enough to put me off the car!
So much talk by a handful of people - the most alarmist of which (by a country mile) has had no issues himself...
RS_Y4Z wrote:Space isnt an issue for me, I'm single and live with my parents
Most of us aren't, and don't
RS_Y4Z wrote:I didnt mean to start a big fight here
As is clear by your constructive title post
RS_Y4Z wrote:but in my experience
Of a cab with MFSW - not exactly the performance model

You're obviously not happy, and each to their own. Good luck with your new toy, but quite honestly, calling the old one a piece of SH*T (when it just didn't float your boat) makes you a bit of a TW*T
Well said that man.

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Post by PetrolDave » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:03 pm

Time to let this thread "be put to sleep" I reckon...
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Post by RS4VR » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:44 pm

All I have to say here.. Please..

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Post by parlee-king » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:48 pm

stoddie wrote:i had a 2004 C4S and trust me there are issues with all 996 engines and rear main seals. I had mine replaced under warrenty with one which i believe porsche have revised the design of.

Some cars dont leak at all, some leak 500 miles after having the seal changed - however again the stories are massively exagerated on the forums and the possiblity of engine failure with a slightly leaking RMS are few and far between.
Turbos & Gt2/3 use a different engine the standard 996/997 water cooled derived from the GT1 engine. So the RMS issue doesn't apply.

Also its considered very bad form to call the 996/997 turbos TTs,

I was on the verge of buying a 997Turbo but was warned if I turne dup at work in it like the last chap that had one, I would not be renewed at contract time. RS4 avant is under the 'he must be earning too much' radar
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Post by ArthurPE » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:04 pm

it's a problem on the GT3's and turbos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ8mNVI9_G8

what happens is the seal causes loss of oil presure and the intermediate shaft fails
at a significant rate

there is a fix, but even it is not a sure thing...
but it won't be done under warranty

keep an eye out for oil, a few drops is normal, if it gets larger deal with it or the engine will fail and cost big $$$ to fix
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Post by neckarsulm » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:08 pm

Also its considered very bad form to call the 996/997 turbos TTs
Who by? Audi TT owners?
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Post by ArthurPE » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:26 pm

neckarsulm wrote:
Also its considered very bad form to call the 996/997 turbos TTs
Who by? Audi TT owners?
lol

'bad form'

I better extend my pinky next tea time :D

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Post by Bladerider » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:07 am

RMS failure is not possible on GT1 engine Porsches - GT3, Turbo and GT2

IMS failure is a totally different thing and is possible on any of the engines used including the GT1 !!

Turbos do understeer, as do almost all 911's when you start to build speed, it one of the side effects of having so little weight over the front, the solution is to go in with a trailing brake or a touch of left foot when really pushing on, you can alter the geometry (at least in a GT3) to a more aggressive setup to dial this out, but it then becomes very tail happy !!

the snap oversteer is another issue seperately and I never found it that big a problem except on very uneven minor roads when doing speeds that would land you in jail anyway !! I have spent an entire day lapping Snetterton on full ock drifting the whole circuit - and as I compete at the highest level in drifting Im not talking about a little powerslide after the apex either, full bore lockstop entries into sears or riches !!!

I also think if Arthur wants to prove his point (whatever that may be seing as we are in the UK) about car prices in the US then perhaps he might want to consider if a car that is 8 years older but only $1500 less is really such a strong card to play, I think if you asked the man in the street "Would you rather have an Audi or a Porsche" not many would be saying Vorsprung Durch Technik on the way home !!

Having said ALL of that, its just a load of bollox. Pardon my french. Who cares what he's gone and bought, I bought an RS4 as my new works van, to replace my 535d Msport Touring that went before it, and my Allroad Limited before that - its just a car for a job, its not the second coming, its not the best car in the world, its not even the best car in its class, its simply the one we all like to tool around in.

be happy in that and the fact we have such nice cars to play with in the first place and then maybe some of the bickering can stop - this place seems to have a real overblown sense of its own importance judging by what ive read, lets not go the way the GTR forum has recently and vanish up our own arses hey ??

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:26 am

you need to tell Porsche then...because the Turbos and GT3's have leaking rear main seals...and is well documented in Panerama...

Porsche was sued (successfully) for the tendency of the cars to oversteer suddenly...it killed people, or helped them kill themselves...
they had to put warning stickers on the dash indicating such...
hence the narrow fronts and wider rears over time...plus awd on the turbo's...makes the car more neutral, but 35/65 wt distribution and physics can't be negated, only minimized...
to induce understeer, ie, dial out oversteer...

my first car was a 1977 911, ad I've had a few since
currently have a 951, longing for a 928 GTS...

as far as car prices...
what did the 996 TT cost originally
and what % is it now?
it's rate of depreciation is much higher than the RS4's
so what is the 4 year drop for the RS4 vs 9 year drop for the TT vs initial price?
probably not much different USA vs UK adjusting for the initial cost difference, you guys pay more for some reason...
TT 115k when new 2001 (adjusted for inflation 150k)
RS4 70k (78k)
TT lost 105k over 9 years or ~12k/year
RS4 lost 33k over 4 years or ~8k/year
big difference...
now look for a car with the same annual mileage...say a 90k TT vs a 40k RS4...
if resale value is an indication, and the number of each for sale, I'd say more would choose the RS4 over a 996TT...

pontificating & judgemental re: self-importance, asses, etc.

it would seem, YOU have an overblown impression of your importance...
it's only the internet...

Bladerider wrote:RMS failure is not possible on GT1 engine Porsches - GT3, Turbo and GT2

IMS failure is a totally different thing and is possible on any of the engines used including the GT1 !!

Turbos do understeer, as do almost all 911's when you start to build speed, it one of the side effects of having so little weight over the front, the solution is to go in with a trailing brake or a touch of left foot when really pushing on, you can alter the geometry (at least in a GT3) to a more aggressive setup to dial this out, but it then becomes very tail happy !!

the snap oversteer is another issue seperately and I never found it that big a problem except on very uneven minor roads when doing speeds that would land you in jail anyway !! I have spent an entire day lapping Snetterton on full ock drifting the whole circuit - and as I compete at the highest level in drifting Im not talking about a little powerslide after the apex either, full bore lockstop entries into sears or riches !!!

I also think if Arthur wants to prove his point (whatever that may be seing as we are in the UK) about car prices in the US then perhaps he might want to consider if a car that is 8 years older but only $1500 less is really such a strong card to play, I think if you asked the man in the street "Would you rather have an Audi or a Porsche" not many would be saying Vorsprung Durch Technik on the way home !!

Having said ALL of that, its just a load of bollox. Pardon my french. Who cares what he's gone and bought, I bought an RS4 as my new works van, to replace my 535d Msport Touring that went before it, and my Allroad Limited before that - its just a car for a job, its not the second coming, its not the best car in the world, its not even the best car in its class, its simply the one we all like to tool around in.

be happy in that and the fact we have such nice cars to play with in the first place and then maybe some of the bickering can stop - this place seems to have a real overblown sense of its own importance judging by what ive read, lets not go the way the GTR forum has recently and vanish up our own arses hey ??

Cheers,

James.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:36 am

quote: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996- ... post660332
this guys owns a few and races them:
It's much more common on m96/97 motors but not unheard of on m64's or derrivatives(996TT,GT3). I've seen it on a 996TTx50 and GT3 myself. It's a potential design flaw in any flat six with a clamshell style block that puts the greatest stress on the rear mainbearing, hence seal failure. Porsche has looked at several fixes, bigger seals, lighter flywheel, and even less counterweight on the crankshaft at that position.
There are a hell of a lot more NA m96/97 motors than GT3's and TT's, that's why you see it a lot more imo.

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Post by Dom81 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:57 am

Bladerider wrote:its just a car for a job, its not the second coming, its not the best car in the world, its not even the best car in its class, its simply the one we all like to tool around in
Agree totally James, as would most people here - I just don't think it's a "piece of SH*T"

I'd happily listen to constructive arguments from the OP as to why this might be the case, but the "I bought a second hand cab for the summer and didn't like it, couldn't afford the fuel bills and worried about Sims' posts, so bought a Porsche instead but that's no problem as I live with my mun and dad who don't like cars" isn't the most thorough analysis...
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Post by scaghead » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:26 am

you have summed him up really well dom.. he is a half head who lives with mummy and daddy ffs...still a lot of growing up to do, he probably was not drawing enough attention to himself driving the rs4 cab down brighton seafront...so has gone the full monty porker route...
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Post by bye bye » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:13 pm

scaghead wrote:you have summed him up really well dom.. he is a half head who lives with mummy and daddy ffs...still a lot of growing up to do, he probably was not drawing enough attention to himself driving the rs4 cab down brighton seafront...so has gone the full monty porker route...
lol :D

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