Motor change under warranty

[Sims]

Maybe only the deposit on that 1 stem broke loose and fell in through the open valve?
I can’t rewind time so I will go with what Audi say. It’s their motor and as I did not pay for the new unit they also own the old one. If they give us permission to open the intake manifold I will be there to see firsthand. As a man of my word, if we open it here at the shop I will take photos and no matter what they show I will post them. Fair?

Absolutely.
Thanks for the transparency.

[ArthurPE]

Audi says otherwise...
it would only need 90 deg to see the top of the valve

I don't know what all the other stuff you're tlking about even means:
oil under finger nails, sitting at computers, etc.

but I do know they are looking into it...
and I would not be at all surprised if you hear from them, just like mal did...

they told you:
no deposits
no scoring
one cylinder had increase oil consumption

I went to the top...he can get what ever info he needs in minutes...
mal heard about within 1 day of my contacting them...

if they put something in writing, and I keep it confidential, it will be at their request and to save you embarressment...deposits did not destroy your engine...that is YOUR opinion, NOT Audi's, but you have already acknowledged that

Trust me ArthurPE, having seen the scope I would be amazed if it could see the rear of the valve stem. It had a max of 90º deflection, so from the plug to the valve stem that would need at least 180º it’s a big ask.

As I said before, the only thing that matters is that Audi are doing the right thing, the bore is damaged within warranty time, so they are standing up to be counted, what more could you ask for.

You keep saying that you have sent things to Audi for their side, if it was as a member of the public it would have gone to the "After sales" side who are also tasked with looking after Audi´s good name, if it was an internal request you may have got a more detailed reply from the people who used to have oil under their nails but now sit at a very powerful computer to help make the next generation of motor to power our next purchase!

If Audi answer you in writing please post the reply for all to read, to date I have never seen anything in writing from a manufacturer that could be used in any way to damage or cast doubt on anything they produce, its common sense not to do that.

[ArthurPE]

So let me get this right, if only 1 cylinder is damaged, it cannot be deposits?

What if it is all cylinders, as in the other case?

yes, 1 cylinder, not deposits

8 cylinders not deposits
his was ring distortion due to detonation (not deposit induced, his were cleaned, and it can't anyways, not physically possible) you can see the gap marks...
he showed pics of pitted pistons
after he damaged the walls, oil leaked thru and coked the pistons...


deposits can't score cylinder walls...period

no one has said how deposits would <beep> timing...why?
becasue it can't...

[ArthurPE]

they said
no scoring
no deposits
1 piston, increased oil consumption
period

nothing about 1 flake of deposit taking your engine out, lol

I highly doubt you will be allowed to take them after they've read your posts...you've already reached conclusions that are absurd and defamatory

Maybe only the deposit on that 1 stem broke loose and fell in through the open valve?

I can’t rewind time so I will go with what Audi say. It’s their motor and as I did not pay for the new unit they also own the old one. If they give us permission to open the intake manifold I will be there to see firsthand. As a man of my word, if we open it here at the shop I will take photos and no matter what they show I will post them. Fair?

[2manytoys]

Mike, I'd recommend not getting into a conversation with Arthur. It's not your posts, nor mine that cause the problems, it's Arthurs constant misquoting that makes things look bad.

Arthur, you're a disgrace, and embassment to the Audi community. You are the same all over the Internet (not just Audi). You enjoy doing this, and you turn every good thread into a mess. Go get a life, seriously. All you do is want to fight with people. I do get it, it's like a naughty boy trying to get attention, but seriously, grow up!

[ArthurPE]

I never misquoted you once...in fact I never quoted you...lol

they read YOUR posts, I sent them the hyper links, in it are mine...
they can read BOTH sides...

I have a life, a fine one, one that doesn't involve insulting you, or making shyte up like 'deposits destroyed my engine' or my 'engine made 260 HP due to deposits'...

I will not insult you, I understand your type (everything you accuse me of being, ironic isn't it?, lol), and that you've probably screwed yourself with Audi...

bet you wish you could undo a few things...

man up: I am not your problem...YOU are

and I may be a 'disgrace' to the 'Audi community'...but your actions are a disgrace to mankind...

Mike, I'd recommend not getting into a conversation with Arthur. It's not your posts, nor mine that cause the problems, it's Arthurs constant misquoting that makes things look bad.

Arthur, you're a disgrace, and embassment to the Audi community. You are the same all over the Internet (not just Audi). You enjoy doing this, and you turn every good thread into a mess. Go get a life, seriously. All you do is want to fight with people. I do get it, it's like a naughty boy trying to get attention, but seriously, grow up!

[scaghead]

Mike, I'd recommend not getting into a conversation with Arthur. It's not your posts, nor mine that cause the problems, it's Arthurs constant misquoting that makes things look bad.

Arthur, you're a disgrace, and embassment to the Audi community. You are the same all over the Internet (not just Audi). You enjoy doing this, and you turn every good thread into a mess. Go get a life, seriously. All you do is want to fight with people. I do get it, it's like a naughty boy trying to get attention, but seriously, grow up!

2manytoys, looks like you have been found guilty fella, suck eggs time for you..

[ArthurPE]

2manytoys, looks like you have been found guilty fella, suck eggs time for you..

what he fails to comprehend:

IF I am his 'problem', he's royally screwed, he can't do anything to change me...it will never get 'better'

IF he accepts that HE is the problem, he can change and make things 'better'...

his only hope is the accept personal responsibility...

this applies equally to all..
NONE of you guys are a 'problem' in my life...lord knows I've got my own, and you can't have them

[2manytoys]

I have a problem because I purchased an RS4 and it's had problems for a year. Right, ok? You're an iditot.

Anyway, I'll leave you to play in your play-pen and continue to be the focus of attention. Hell, I don't want to take that away from you.

[ArthurPE]

your publically posted vagcom logs indicate a different story
3k to 8k 8.25 sec for a vert
perfect timing & mixture
in fact, it looks better than perfect...

perhaps, the issues are percieved, and while monkeying around you CAUSED issues? possibility? na, never happens, right?
you 'can't feel' the 'kick'

as soon as they fixed the flaps and fuel pump (probably the sensor), your car ran perfect, the logs don't lie...you have a misunderstanding of what the timing should be, you expect 30 deg under all circumstances, not going to happen...the optimum point is not fixed...

if you are having issues, imho, it is better dealt one to one with Audi, that posting false hyperbole on the internet...plain and simple...

I harbor no ill will towards you, even though you insult and demean...

it's YOU who want to be the center or focus, with crazy posts like '263 HP', 'destroyed engine due to deposits', in fact they are some of your first, and generally ONLY type of post...your HP issues were your 8th post

again, I am NOT your problem...

I have a problem because I purchased an RS4 and it's had problems for a year. Right, ok? You're an iditot.

Anyway, I'll leave you to play in your play-pen and continue to be the focus of attention. Hell, I don't want to take that away from you.

[scaghead]

I have a problem because I purchased an RS4 and it's had problems for a year. Right, ok? You're an iditot.

Anyway, I'll leave you to play in your play-pen and continue to be the focus of attention. Hell, I don't want to take that away from you.

come on fella you wrote your own posts right.... then it is only your fault fella, if it has come back to haunt you....blaming someone else for your posts is stronging it a bit...

[MikeD]

Audi says otherwise...
it would only need 90 deg to see the top of the valve

In that case I stand corrected.

[MikeD]

Well, its all done, run in as per dealers instructions!
Oil temp down by a few degs only, but 5ºC it a great start.
Power, totally different car, it now pulls in all gears and all revs, so don´t know if it was a single item or a few added that made the old motor slugish, but dont care. I now have the car I was missing, its all good again.
The old motor has gone to Audi Germany for them to investigate, so it may help others in the future.
Never did get the time to pull the old inlet off, sorry for that.

[SR71]

I see that decarbonisation is now being done in the USA under warranty.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthrea ... nty-Thread

Seems to me a tacit admission by Audi (in fact its part of a TSB that attempts to deal with the very issue) that carbon deposition saps power - most owners who are having this work done are having it done because the complaint is the "car is down on power" - so one wonders when such a policy will hit the UK?

Probably once the last registered car drops out of 3 year warranty.

[ArthurPE]

always was...they've been doing it for a few years now...
they have a few SIB's out
MIL light must be on, sustained cold start mis-fires...no code, no clean
very few cars have codes...
1 check fuel quality (usually the problem)
2 use injector cleaner
3 then pull manifold
btw: this guys MIL came back after the cleaning...
how do they know it's down on power?

when I recently spoke to Audi (USA) they had investigated dozens claims of 'low power'...
in fact they had techs travelling around the country for that purpose...they told me this 1 year ago...
I talked on the phone to a guy whose car was inspected...a/m exhaust, tubes disconnected...
but when Audi timed them, almost all met spec...no power loss, percieved 'power loss', probably internet induced...
the balance: vacuum leak, most on modified cars...affecting fueling or the intake flaps...
some, fuel pumps (SIB out on it)
and the ones with deposits?
they usually found another fault: fuel pump or vacuum leak