DRC Recall in US/Canada

[rs4v8]

131 ArthurPE. That order of magnitude will be burst pretty soon at this rate.........

[P_G]

[Assuming this is indeed what you are saying then at 30000 cars, that means there will have only been 30 failures? Worldwide?

30 failures of 30000 cars is 0.1%, not 1%

And by clarifying there were duplications in the now 130 people I'm not suggesting it is better, just stating there is error in your statement.

[rs4v8]

[Assuming this is indeed what you are saying then at 30000 cars, that means there will have only been 30 failures? Worldwide?

30 failures of 30000 cars is 0.1%, not 1%

And by clarifying there were duplications in the now 130 people I'm not suggesting it is better, just stating there is error in your statement.

Just read this again! So you are saying that there is a 0.1% failure rate?

Assuming this is indeed what you are saying then at 30000 cars, that means there will have only been 30 failures? Worldwide?

Read the whole post before attempting to give me a maths lesson...

I accept your other point regarding the duplications. Although it doesn't, in my opinion, defeat my argument as there aren't that very many. I can't be arsed to count them, but even if there are 100 cars in that list of 130 then it doesn't change the % very much. (like I said before).

[S2tuner]

1) ONLY the US and the UK appear to have DRC isues.

My friend who's head of workshop for Audi in France has personally replaced 8 sets of shocks on RS6s in the last few years, and has done 3 B7 RS4s. That is ONE dealership, in Orléans. I know another one near the swiss border in the Alps, he has done a few of both too, but no numbers from him as I haven't talked to him in a while. So no, not only the US and the UK appear to have DRC issues, and in France, Audi replace all 4 shocks even if the car is out of warranty as a goodwill gesture if it's always been serviced in Audi dealerships.

Just my 0.02 and not meaning to add more fuel to the fire.

[rs4v8]

1) ONLY the US and the UK appear to have DRC isues.

My friend who's head of workshop for Audi in France has personally replaced 8 sets of shocks on RS6s in the last few years, and has done 3 B7 RS4s. That is ONE dealership, in Orléans. I know another one near the swiss border in the Alps, he has done a few of both too, but no numbers from him as I haven't talked to him in a while. So no, not only the US and the UK appear to have DRC issues, and in France, Audi replace all 4 shocks even if the car is out of warranty as a goodwill gesture if it's always been serviced in Audi dealerships.

Just my 0.02 and not meaning to add more fuel to the fire.

Merci S2. They replace all 4? Alright for those guys!

At least three more out of the unknown "30000 minus RS246.com posters" are affected then. Still not got it yet Arthur???

[S2tuner]

Still not got it yet Arthur???

He will NOT get it

[rs4v8]

Still not got it yet Arthur???

He will NOT get it

Don't I know it........

[Sims]

[Assuming this is indeed what you are saying then at 30000 cars, that means there will have only been 30 failures? Worldwide?

30 failures of 30000 cars is 0.1%, not 1%

And by clarifying there were duplications in the now 130 people I'm not suggesting it is better, just stating there is error in your statement.

Give it up P _G. We are all Audi fans here. The problem is far bigger than you want to believe.

Not every RS4 owner has taken the the huge trouble to:
1) Join this forum
2) Report their DRC issue. Just look though the forums and you will realise many of the names are not on the list for many don't know there is a list. I have asked the Mods to make it a sticky.

Right now, we should celebrate the very positive stance taken by Audi on this engineering issue rather than attempt to justify an erroneous stance we may have taken in the past.

When the facts change, you should change your mind.

[rs4v8]

132 ArthurPE. You getting it yet?

[P_G]

Give what up Sims? The fact that RS4V8 asks where Arthur got his 1% from, then quotes figures suggesting Arthur has insinuated that only 30 of 30000 cars had failed which according to his maths is 0.1%. And yes I did read the whole thread RS4V8.

You asked where Arthur got less than 1%, therefore less than 300 cars, not 0.1% which is what you wrote. He has never suggested 0.1%, it was you who asked whether he was suggesting less 0.1% which he did not. You also suggested 0.2% based on your calculation on the number of people who had DRC faults minus 'fabricators / liars' whoever they are.

And Sims, but out. I'm not interested in believing or disbelieving anything contained in this thread because they are not the whole facts associated with all the RS4's produced and how many have had DRC failures in all of them and never have been plus there is a fix out there which I and at least 100 others have taken advantage of.

I have never questioned the facts on how many DRC failures there have been because there are no complete numbers to question, just assumptions that are then manipulated by some to fit the whole production run of RS4's. Therefore I have no need to change my mind. And celebrate? Why? There has been a fix for some time, it's not new. All that is new is that in another country or countries if you take into account S2's comments they replace all 4 shocks from Gen 2 to Gen 3 even if only one is leaking. Good for them; if it hits our shores even better. In the meantime I like Petroldave am happy that it works.

[rs4v8]

Right now, we should celebrate the very positive stance taken by Audi

Exactamundo Sims.

[Sims]

.. I'm not interested in believeing or disbelieveing anything contained in this thread because they are not the whole facts associated with all the RS4's produced and how many have failures and never have been plus there is a fix out there which I have taken advantage of.

I have never questioned the facts because there are none to question, just assumptions that are manipulated by some to fit the whole production run of RS4's. Therefore I have no need to change my mind

Audi have all the facts,and believe they need to change their stance and they have.

[P_G]

.. I'm not interested in believeing or disbelieveing anything contained in this thread because they are not the whole facts associated with all the RS4's produced and how many have failures and never have been plus there is a fix out there which I have taken advantage of.

I have never questioned the facts because there are none to question, just assumptions that are manipulated by some to fit the whole production run of RS4's. Therefore I have no need to change my mind

Audi have all the facts,and believe they need to change their stance and they have.

What evidence do you have that whatever happens in other countries is going to apply here? Please stop assuming that because AOA has sent this out to Amercian owners and that it happens in other countries that it will follow suit here.

[rs4v8]

Give what up Sims? The fact that RS4V8 asks where Arthur got his 1% from, then quotes figures suggesting Arthur has insinuated that only 30 of 30000 cars had failed which accoridng to his maths is 0.1%. And yes I did read the whole thread RS4V8.

It is 0.1% ya tool!! It's you that made an arse of yourself by not reading my post properly!! If you read it why give me the donkey maths lesson then eh?

It's your chum who keeps stating "an order of magnitude less". Without, I might add actually stating either what the actual number is or where he gets his information from. I had to fill in the figures of 0.1% and 0.9% as this is the range of numbers he is stating because he refuses to give us the actual number. The point of this is to question his theory by actually running the range of numbers he is suggesting. Yes question, not say he's wrong, it's a discussion forum. If he actually gave us the number and his source then hey, I'm a nugget and I'm wrong - no problem.

You asked where Arthur got less than 1%, therefore less than 300 cars, not 0.1% which is what you suggested. He has never suggested 0.1%, it was you who asked whether he was suggesting less 0.1% which he did not.

I did indeed ask where he got <1% from (out of genuine curiosity). He still hasn't told us. Instead we get the rather cryptic "it's actually an order of magnitude less". I did not once say he said 0.1%. However, I have filled in the gaps in his argument by suggesting two numbers at either end of a range to which he refers to by saying "an order of" namely 0.1% and 0.9%. Neither of which seem to be realistic based on the number of posts in the failure log.

And Sims, but out. I'm not interested in believeing or disbelieveing anything contained in this thread because they are not the whole facts associated with all the RS4's produced and how many have failures and never have been plus there is a fix out there which I have taken advantage of.

I have never questioned the facts because there are none to question, just assumptions that are manipulated by some to fit the whole production run of RS4's. Therefore I have no need to change my mind

Not interested eh? No facts to question?!! FFS - why exactly did you post then? This started by me questioning Arthur out of curiosity. It seems that this is not allowed. It's good for people to question the facts sometimes, you should try it. I was going to get you a bucket and some sand for your xmas but clearly your head's stuck in one already or quite possibly somewhere else.

All hail the might ArthurPE, he who should not be questioned...

[PetrolDave]

My friend who's head of workshop for Audi in France has personally replaced 8 sets of shocks on RS6s in the last few years, and has done 3 B7 RS4s. That is ONE dealership, in Orléans. I know another one near the swiss border in the Alps, he has done a few of both too, but no numbers from him as I haven't talked to him in a while. So no, not only the US and the UK appear to have DRC issues

Thanks for adding that information. I can't say I'm surprised that France is also affected - the cobbled streets in some town centres are not "suspension friendly"!

= and in France, Audi replace all 4 shocks even if the car is out of warranty as a goodwill gesture if it's always been serviced in Audi dealerships.

Good to hear they change all 4.

But I have to ask why does it have to be a goodwill gesture? If there's a fault, then there's a fault. And having your car serviced by an independent won't damage the suspension system, so not having a FASH is, frankly, irrelevant. Plus treating customers without FASH differently is illegal under the EU Block Exemption regulations.