Offered a physical cancelled order today!!

[CliveH]

Back to the numbers game - my local Audi dealer took their first Misano red just 3 weeks' ago and told me it was "an exclusive demonstrator" because it was the only one they would get this year and was only available for driving by customers who were waiting for their orders to arrive.

Since then, they now have a silver one in the showroom and a black one on the forecourt...so what's going on now...? They're not so exclusive around here...

[fishface]

Why do some of you guys go on like you're some sort of James Bond? 'friend of a friend on the inside of Audi' blah blah nonsense. You guys know nowt of what goes on at the middle/top of the company. You feed off the same info as the drop out who sells cars for Audi as a living.

[Scotty]

Do you know that? I can't speak for the guys in this thread but I know of various people who speak directly to people in th know. The worst ones to listen to are generally the Audi salesmen.

[EuroSag]

Why do some of you guys go on like you're some sort of James Bond? 'friend of a friend on the inside of Audi' blah blah nonsense. You guys know nowt of what goes on at the middle/top of the company. You feed off the same info as the drop out who sells cars for Audi as a living.

Why have you got such an attitude?

Every thread that you participate in becomes negative and bitter. If you hate RS4's, Audi's, dealer's, salesmen and owners so much, why don't you delete this forum from your 'favorites list'.

[MattC]

I agree

[fishface]

Why do some of you guys go on like you're some sort of James Bond? 'friend of a friend on the inside of Audi' blah blah nonsense. You guys know nowt of what goes on at the middle/top of the company. You feed off the same info as the drop out who sells cars for Audi as a living.

Why have you got such an attitude?

Every thread that you participate in becomes negative and bitter. If you hate RS4's, Audi's, dealer's, salesmen and owners so much, why don't you delete this forum from your 'favorites list'.

By attitude I presume you mean anybody who doesn't agree with what you guys say? I haven't been rude nor insulted anyone but have disagreed strongly with many. I thought thats what a discussion forum was for.

I have never said I hate RS4s, audi's etc. Why do you try and put words into my mouth?

[CliveH]

Come on guys, there's really no need for all this.

As pointed out, this is a Discussion Forum - a place for like minded people to share information, ideas, knowledge, and yes views, and even debate. But not somewhere for people to slag each other off.

Please respect the otherwise good nature of this forum and remember your manners.

[fishface]

Come on guys, there's really no need for all this.

As pointed out, this is a Discussion Forum - a place for like minded people to share information, ideas, knowledge, and yes views, and even debate. But not somewhere for people to slag each other off.

Please respect the otherwise good nature of this forum and remember your manners.

Maybe I have been a bit arsey. If I've offended anyone, Matt in particular, I apologise

[Persuader]

Matt, why don't you answer the question?

Persuader, my post makes perfect sense old chap! The term limited capacity means little without quantification. If you asked Ford to make 100000 Mondeos by next week they couldn't because they wouldn't have the capacity. So even Ford has limited capacity. As does EVERY business in the world given the right context.

I would have thought someone who could afford over £150k worth of cars would be able to follow that

(NOTE: Insulting arsey reply above)

Well again obviously.
However I don't think anyone would class the Mondeo as a limited production car whereas the RS4 build capacity is, because as i understand it, the firm that converts them has a low capacity.
I think most people will understand what i have been trying to say and you are just taking what I say to unnecessary literary extremes. However I do appreciate your point if you mean that capacity, where possible, is set up to mirror potential demand.

[fishface]

Matt, why don't you answer the question?

Persuader, my post makes perfect sense old chap! The term limited capacity means little without quantification. If you asked Ford to make 100000 Mondeos by next week they couldn't because they wouldn't have the capacity. So even Ford has limited capacity. As does EVERY business in the world given the right context.

I would have thought someone who could afford over £150k worth of cars would be able to follow that

(NOTE: Insulting arsey reply above)

Well again obviously.
However I don't think anyone would class the Mondeo as a limited production car whereas the RS4 build capacity is, because as i understand it, the firm that converts them has a low capacity.
I think most people will understand what i have been trying to say and you are just taking what I say to unnecessary literary extremes. However I do appreciate your point if you mean that capacity, where possible, is set up to mirror potential demand.

Persuader, I have apologised for the arsiness of my earlier reply, and hope you will accept it as it is genuine.

To further the sensible debate; I agree the comparison of a RS4 and a Mondeo is extreme but my point is what does 'limited capacity' really mean? I feel it is sometimes used to infer that the RS4 is some kind of bespoke, handbuilt , limited run car. Whereas in reality it is a low volume(due to low demand) production German saloon

Maybe I'm a little aggressive about this topic. Thats because I've been had by this sort of spin before, only to realise later it was a marketing ploy and find my wallet very light!

Once again I apologise for any offence caused

[Riz_RS4]

group hug everybody and no hard feelings.

Who cares! RS4 = Wooohoooo

*hugs*

Riz

[shineydave]

group hug everybody and no hard feelings

good call, at the end of the day we're all enthusiasts of the Audi marque and by definition that makes us passionate, tempers can get fraid when we're passionate about things but it shows the maturity of the members when we can also be big enough to realise everyone has an opinion and accept that.

[Persuader]

Maybe I'm a little aggressive about this topic. Thats because I've been had by this sort of spin before, only to realise later it was a marketing ploy and find my wallet very light!

I know what you mean. Try selling a 997 for a decent price against the hundreds of others that are on the market. It's difficult and contrary to what dealers tell you when you purchase one.

[CliveH]

Don't believe a word of what the dealers say - it's all a spin ("creative marketing").

You'll have seen from my post above that within 3 weeks of my local dealer telling me that they had received their 2006 allocation of ONE, they have had no less than THREE on the premises (and 2 in the showroom)!

[Gareth]

Whichever way you look at it, the B7 RS4 is going to be a lot rarer than any of its competitors anyway. As for residuals, the RS4 will hold its value better than most if not all of its competitors; M3 et al.

And for what its worth, without going into too much detail - someone I know works for Audi UK. He suggested to me that Matt's figures are 'pretty accurate'. But he did also say that Audi will, like any business, try to fulfil everyone's orders - which will hopefully result in an increase in production. Apparently, quattro gmbh are gearing up for increased production anyway, due to additional forthcoming models, etc.

The other point to make is that Audi will watch the registrations and level of market interest for the RS4 globally for the first 3/4 months and then decide where to allocate future production accordingly. Historically (BMW/MB/Audi etc) this has usually been done to the more profitable markets (read..."UK") and extra/increased allocation has found it's way here post launch.

From talking to my own Audi sources - 2 Audi Group DP's with 12 dealerships between them, 1 high up Finance bod in VAG plus a UK Motor Trade journo colleague - it's clear that the numbers for the RS4 in the UK are at best "sketchy" and will be up for review (upwards no doubt IMHO) during the next 6-12 months.

Also a little comment re. MattC. Sorry if you felt that you were getting a going over but if you do work for Audi UK and you have posted something here - rightly or wrongly - then it's now in the open domain and you need to explain it if asked. Otherwise it loses credibility and opens yourself to questions that you can't/won't answer. Maybe a PM off line would have been a better way to deal with it ?? Just a thought....

For what it's worth I called 5 Audi dealers on Saturday...and they all had at least 1 physical car in group that could be sold to me that day....shades of the Cayman S launch there I feel...lot's of hype...little sales to customers and cars freely available.