Lack of limited numbers means no need to take a £17k hit for the 1.5 years I've had my B6 S4 Avant. Suddenly my current car seems brilliant!
Last time round I backed out of the B5 RS4 for fears of the hit I was about to take on my two year old B5 S4. As it happened, a new limited edition RS4 would had cost me little more cash to keep than my two year old S4. Then I would'nt have jumped into a B6 S4 at the start which would have spread my costs over a few more years.
Its now time to see if I can get a one year old RS6 Avant for £45k or even completely opt out and get a one year old A8 4.2 for £40k.
Dissapointed
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Look at whats happened to the M3CSL started off at £60K you can pick one up now for £40-42K, i feel this is destined for the same fate unless they do some number capping, and as far as the wheels go well the first pictures of the RS4 showed wheels that never saw the light of day, so i wouldnt worry about that one.. A mate of mine just called me and said "God that looks like it was made for the USA" and he not even in to cars.
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Personally I must remember that the B5 RS4 was always going to take a lot to beat it style wise. On the road performance doesn't look to differ much between old and new.
some food for thought regarding Audi's market position:
From Audi's press announcement yesterday:
The USA remains the biggest export market with sales of 77,917 cars (down 9.8 percent)
One of the individual markets with the highest growth rate is Great Britain, where Audi sales have more than doubled in just seven years. This market expanded by 11.1 percent to 77,882 units in 2004 alone.
some food for thought regarding Audi's market position:
From Audi's press announcement yesterday:
The USA remains the biggest export market with sales of 77,917 cars (down 9.8 percent)
One of the individual markets with the highest growth rate is Great Britain, where Audi sales have more than doubled in just seven years. This market expanded by 11.1 percent to 77,882 units in 2004 alone.
M3 CSL - Silver Grey, a few options.
Kujo, blame is a strong word.
Your not getting blamed as such. Its just that the latest RS4 is clearly styled and tailored more towards what the US market has asked for than what the euro market has.
David, part of the appeal of any car (well, anything come to that) is first impressions. Take the Cayenne as an example. A superb car to drive with a cracking spec, but not exactly the prettiest car around. This seems to be more important in europe for some reason. You don't hear the americans getting upset by the looks of it, but in europe it is always the number one conversation about them.
To me part of the appeal of an RS4 is its limited numbers. Around my way every 3rd car seems to be an M3 or a scooby. I like to be a little different. Call it snob value if you like, but to me it is about being individual.
Like JR I too wanted an RS4 from the moment I saw the release info, without having driven one. It is after all an estate car, so I had no preconceptions of it being a demon on the track.
There are not many hot estates about, so the RS stands out as top choice to me. If however I was to look at a 4 door saloon there are many more I would consider above it in terms of looks and appeal.
£50k for a car is a lot of dosh to most of us. To make me part with that sort of money it has to be right. The look of the new RS4 just doesn't do it for me. I'm far more likely to go speak with Mercedes, Bmw or even Porsche than buy a saloon RS4.
All the talk about the figures too means pretty much s0d all on the road, and not a great deal on the track unless your something special. My non-chipped RS4 was not noticably slower than the 458bhp ones on the trip to Spa last year.
Bottom line to me is the overall package has to be right. If it aint, I won't buy one.
For me the new RS4 does not look special enough to make me want to part with 50 large.
Cheers,
John.
Your not getting blamed as such. Its just that the latest RS4 is clearly styled and tailored more towards what the US market has asked for than what the euro market has.
David, part of the appeal of any car (well, anything come to that) is first impressions. Take the Cayenne as an example. A superb car to drive with a cracking spec, but not exactly the prettiest car around. This seems to be more important in europe for some reason. You don't hear the americans getting upset by the looks of it, but in europe it is always the number one conversation about them.
To me part of the appeal of an RS4 is its limited numbers. Around my way every 3rd car seems to be an M3 or a scooby. I like to be a little different. Call it snob value if you like, but to me it is about being individual.
Like JR I too wanted an RS4 from the moment I saw the release info, without having driven one. It is after all an estate car, so I had no preconceptions of it being a demon on the track.
There are not many hot estates about, so the RS stands out as top choice to me. If however I was to look at a 4 door saloon there are many more I would consider above it in terms of looks and appeal.
£50k for a car is a lot of dosh to most of us. To make me part with that sort of money it has to be right. The look of the new RS4 just doesn't do it for me. I'm far more likely to go speak with Mercedes, Bmw or even Porsche than buy a saloon RS4.
All the talk about the figures too means pretty much s0d all on the road, and not a great deal on the track unless your something special. My non-chipped RS4 was not noticably slower than the 458bhp ones on the trip to Spa last year.
Bottom line to me is the overall package has to be right. If it aint, I won't buy one.
For me the new RS4 does not look special enough to make me want to part with 50 large.
Cheers,
John.
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Worrying about depreciation excessively tends not to place one in the market for a new car - all new high performance cars lose money in a big way. The greater the performance, the bigger the loss
The real question is can it provide the necessary amusement for the cash loss?
The new torque bias is of interest, and the more immediately - throttle responsive engine that has to be worked harder to give of its best might actually be an interesting change for current owners wishing to move on.
Cant help but agree with the virtually unanimous verdict that compared to the "love at first sight" looks of the old RS this one just aint got it.
Perhaps thats because in many ways the bodywork resembles that of the Rover ZT, but slightly more butch and with Passatesque rear lights. Disappointing looks indeed.
The real question is can it provide the necessary amusement for the cash loss?
The new torque bias is of interest, and the more immediately - throttle responsive engine that has to be worked harder to give of its best might actually be an interesting change for current owners wishing to move on.
Cant help but agree with the virtually unanimous verdict that compared to the "love at first sight" looks of the old RS this one just aint got it.
Perhaps thats because in many ways the bodywork resembles that of the Rover ZT, but slightly more butch and with Passatesque rear lights. Disappointing looks indeed.
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I'm going to sit outside the majority here then.TimJMS wrote:Cant help but agree with the virtually unanimous verdict that compared to the "love at first sight" looks of the old RS this one just aint got it.
Before the 'wideboy' look of the B5 RS4 - with it's aggresive stance but understated looks - there was nothing else to compare it with.
The B7 look is just the same, but with the newer family shape.
No, it doesn't look any better than the B5, but it certainly looks no worse.
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F@ck me! If Audi are reading this forum they will probably pitch it in at around the £35k markbiturbo wrote:And have they actually said that it will be a normal (uncapped) production run yet or not, before anyone jumps to any conclusions?
I mean they haven't even given us an official price yet.
Astheticaly....the saloons a dog....just my opinion.
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I like the look of the interior its much better than bmws ,im really not sure about the engine and performance though it sounds like its going to be missing alot of the majic torque and midrange punch which for every day driving is what matters,the level of performance would appear the same as the b5 rs4 and thats in standard form,no real step forward,im looking forward to seeing the avant though.
Hopefully at least in strengthBut were they ever going to top the RS4 alloy design
Waiting for the Avant to be shown, really it is the only true-to-heritage RS to me. If they have gotten the brake fade and suspension really sorted, plus all other dynamic glitches of B5 RS (and S as well...) -gear shift, a little more feel to brake and steering- then I may even accept N/A.
Capping numbers is not just about residuals (but it is a bonus 
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It's also about the fact that I've had my RS4 4 months now and in that time I've seen loads of M3's a few S4's and one RS4.
I'm sure a psychologist would have a field day but - I like that
Agreed - first impressions not great
My opinion - will sit on fence until I see an Avant in the flesh unless the Audi finance dept use FrankC as their advisor - then I'm in
)It's also about the fact that I've had my RS4 4 months now and in that time I've seen loads of M3's a few S4's and one RS4.
I'm sure a psychologist would have a field day but - I like that
Agreed - first impressions not great
My opinion - will sit on fence until I see an Avant in the flesh unless the Audi finance dept use FrankC as their advisor - then I'm in
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