RS4 B7 Stated Power claim of 420ps

[Sims]

The supposed issue of power loss due to coking up has been raised and discussed ad infinitum, so there's already a lot of opinions and some fact in the public domain..

Let's ignore the opinions, but you are saying the fact is there is no power loss.

Another post that contains factual inaccuracies adds nothing to the current state of knowledge, so there's nothing to wait for or keep an open mind about regarding the post by Qisha

If there are factual inaccuracies, I wholeheartedly agree with you. However, Qisha seems to know a lot about Audi's.

But let's give this a rest.

[PetrolDave]

Qisha seems to know a lot about Audi's.

But not enough to know that the piston rings are not in the cylinder head....

But let's give this a rest.

I'd prefer to just enjoy driving my RS4 - which is do just as much after nearly 4 years of ownership - but it does annoy me to see opinions being presented as fact.

To establish if any car does have power loss the easiest way is the timed 30-100mph test. If that's around 8 seconds then whatever the opinions, that car does not have power loss.

[ArthurPE]

But not enough to know that the piston rings are not in the cylinder head....

I'd prefer to just enjoy driving my RS4 - which is do just as much after nearly 4 years of ownership - but it does annoy me to see opinions being presented as fact.

To establish if any car does have power loss the easiest way is the timed 30-100mph test. If that's around 8 seconds then whatever the opinions, that car does not have power loss.

lol

that's right: 3rd gear 3k to 8k, if 8.5 sec or less, you are good to go

I recieved a call today from the Audi VP (quality) NA
surprised me, a personal call...
I won't speak for them (as many others seem to be willing to do)
suffice to say:
they are aware of the concerns
they are trying to determine whether it's a 'problem'
there has been a working group formed, apparently...

[Sims]

Qisha seems to know a lot about Audi's.

But not enough to know that the piston rings are not in the cylinder head....

Language issues? And I do believe Qisha is well familiar with Audi's. But let's agree to disagree.

I'd prefer to just enjoy driving my RS4 - which is do just as much after nearly 4 years of ownership - but it does annoy me to see opinions being presented as fact.

To establish if any car does have power loss the easiest way is the timed 30-100mph test. If that's around 8 seconds then whatever the opinions, that car does not have power loss.

How many variables in that test, since we are talking technical? Who devised that test? And you say no power loss - does that mean it's producing 420ps?

Are there other more scientific tests? I know most on here think RR's are not scientific at all.

It is not opinions I am concerned with, but facts being ignored and supressed by the well intentioned Audi faithful, and those with a vested interest.

For my part, I am convinced that that there is an issue and many others have felt the same way well before I came on to the scene. Many of you have not experienced the problems and therefore you are not convinced of any potential issue. DRC has affected many cars, but not all.

So let's agree to disagree on that too and close this debate.

BTW my car produces enough power.

[ArthurPE]

that's becasue it is NOT from Audi

So given that there appear to be factual errors in his post (no changed parts after week 20 2007, rings are not in the head,...) IMHO Qisha's "opinions" shouldnot be given any more crediblity than any other (apparently) non-technical owners' opinions.

or be patient & keep an open mind. This issue has been raised by more than one person, in more than one continent.

I have ACTUALLY spoken to Audi...
that is not from them...period
an open mind is one thing, disingenuous information is something else...

[mac4RS]

It is not opinions I am concerned with, but facts being ignored and supressed by the well intentioned Audi faithful, and those with a vested interest.

[ArthurPE]

Language issues? And I do believe Qisha is well familiar with Audi's. But let's agree to disagree.

How many variables in that test, since we are talking technical? Who devised that test? And you say no power loss - does that mean it's producing 420ps?

Are there other more scientific tests? I know most on here think RR's are not scientific at all.

It is not opinions I am concerned with, but facts being ignored and supressed by the well intentioned Audi faithful, and those with a vested interest.

For my part, I am convinced that that there is an issue and many others have felt the same way well before I came on to the scene. Many of you have not experienced the problems and therefore you are not convinced of any potential issue. DRC has affected many cars, but not all.

So let's agree to disagree on that too and close this debate.

BTW my car produces enough power.

that is not semantics, the rings are not in the head
the engine was never changed
those are mis-information and lies
he knows nothing about cars, and the people on that forum seem to concur

3k-8k, none, no gear changes, and timing errors offset/cancel

the facts don't seem to get in the way of you posting mis-information and denying the laws of physics, or >50 3-8k runs by a dozen members...

with absoluetly (according to you) NO comprehension of the systems involved you've come to a conclusion...open mined? suuuuure

what 'vested interest' do the folks believe that it is not an issue have?
as opposed to those who want to sell a fix for a non-existent problem?
another illogical, hyperbolic, mis-truth

[Sims]

Language issues? And I do believe Qisha is well familiar with Audi's. But let's agree to disagree.

How many variables in that test, since we are talking technical? Who devised that test? And you say no power loss - does that mean it's producing 420ps?

Are there other more scientific tests? I know most on here think RR's are not scientific at all.

It is not opinions I am concerned with, but facts being ignored and supressed by the well intentioned Audi faithful, and those with a vested interest.

For my part, I am convinced that that there is an issue and many others have felt the same way well before I came on to the scene. Many of you have not experienced the problems and therefore you are not convinced of any potential issue. DRC has affected many cars, but not all.

So let's agree to disagree on that too and close this debate.

BTW my car produces enough power.

that is not semantics, the rings are not in the head
the engine was never changed
those are mis-information and lies
he knows nothing about cars, and the people on that forum seem to concur

3k-8k, none, no gear changes, and timing errors offset/cancel

the facts don't seem to get in the way of you posting mis-information and denying the laws of physics, or >50 3-8k runs by a dozen members...

with absoluetly (according to you) NO comprehension of the systems involved you've come to a conclusion...open mined? suuuuure

what 'vested interest' do the folks believe that it is not an issue have?
as opposed to those who want to sell a fix for a non-existent problem?
another illogical, hyperbolic, mis-truth

Your interest is noted

[Sims]

link please?

the VP of Audi NA has requested it

You have instant access to the VP of Audi NA, and he relies on you to find out information of this nature via a Forum - what is your relationship with him? Is it commercial, directly or indirectly?

.

[ArthurPE]

You have instant access to the VP of Audi NA, and he relies on you to find out information of this nature via a Forum - what is your relationship with him? Is it commercial, directly or indirectly?

not instant...my last telecon was 2 weeks ago plus numerous email and a formal letter...he called me...

no, I wanted to know:
was Audi aware of the issue
do they consider it a problem
are they aware that folks are posting data on their behalf and slandering his company, accusing them of fraud, false claims (HP), etc.

it is not commercial or business...I don't know what directly/indirectly means...I have spoken to him and his assistant, a very nice lady...

I wrote him a very detailed and professional letter outlining my technical, professional opinion/understanding regarding the issue...and asked him to share what he could from his perspective...we talked like engineers, and I will not disclose the content, that is his perogative to do so...

let's just say I have a comfort level with the mans ability to identify, and rectify 'problems', if they are found...

[ArthurPE]

Your interest is noted

that would mean something from someone who knew something about the issue

[Sims]

the engine was never changed
those are mis-information and lies
he knows nothing about cars, and the people on that forum seem to concur

Ok, get something from Audi (you are very close to them) and post it on here to say the engine was never changed before resorting to accusations again.

How many people on that forum questioned him - I think 1. That is one person, not people.

3k-8k, none, no gear changes, and timing errors offset/cancel
the facts don't seem to get in the way of you posting mis-information and denying the laws of physics, or >50 3-8k runs by a dozen members...

A dozen members!! That is not at all scientific - how many variables can there be - outside temp, passenger weight, physical & mental response of person, road gradient, fuel in car,esp on, sports button on maybe etc etc - as an engineer you will know all that but you are denying the law of logic.

with absoluetly (according to you) NO comprehension of the systems involved you've come to a conclusion...open mined? suuuuure

At the outset, I stated I was not at all technical. But in my field, I gather data and rely on my judgment calls all day every day.

what 'vested interest' ?

You tell me.

as opposed to those who want to sell a fix for a non-existent problem?

so you are suggesting all these people are defrauding customers?

another illogical, hyperbolic, mis-truth

so we are back to accusing people of lying.. (the word you had used before editing to mis-truth)

[Sims]

Your interest is noted

that would mean something from someone who knew something about the issue

Noted

[Sims]

I recieved a call today from the Audi VP (quality) NA
surprised me, a personal call...

That's nice

they are aware of the concerns
they are trying to determine whether it's a 'problem'
there has been a working group formed, apparently...

That's nice progress.
Have they become aware of the problem as a result of this forum? Is this Audi North America?

You believe there is no problem, & certainly not over there and so what goes in Europe should not be of any interest to the VP of NA. but only to people at Audi in Germany. No?

[HYFR]

im so bored of this subject now its untrue

my car has been in with Audi for about a week now, been driving around in a A3 1.8T. I cant wait to get back into the RS 4

David, any progress on your car?

still there....awaiting authorisation from warranty company...think they've clocked up 10hrs of labour so far taking it apart, which at £110ph isnt cheap!