DRC Recall in US/Canada

[Sims]

it would be like explaining how to breath...
and my time is valuable...

But you are happy to deride people like ^qwerty^ on here for not understanding the engineering - is it you have no answers?
BTW, you have plenty of time. Shall I list all the forums you are active on, everyday. And some you have been banned from for deriding people.

30,000, give or take, world wide...
the numbers you quoted were from 2007
<1%, considerable less

I shall take that as your final answer, an engineer who is careful about numbers, I am sure you will have taken care in providing me with these numbers. You once did say DRC failure rate was 0.01%, maybe that is what you mean by considerably less.

RS4 production ended in 2007 AFAIK.

I am sure everyone is keen to get exact data on the DRC issue, and between us we can get there.

Thank you for your responses.

[ArthurPE]

I referenced shocks too...

would you rather replace shocks or an engine?
we were talking about problems (real or precieved) with cars

I know, 50k max, most fail sooner...many have been replaced under warranty...but still a fraction of a %...

does the rear subframe being torn from the body and ripping the uni-body count? as they settled a class action suit for...

mine is leaking...they ALL leak, just like they ALL have deposits...
but it drives fine, no bottoming out, no noises, no wallowing or oscillations...they are perfectly fine...

what are 'all the questions'?
I answer far more than you, which is none...you offer nothing but insults and inflamatory rhetoric...
I'll answer the ones I feel like answering, I owe you nothing and do not work for you...I will answer for almost everyone else, I'll go out of my way to find stuff for people, and have addressed many in PM's...what the heck of you added to this place? (rhetorical)

We were talking about suspension/dampers, and you have moved on to engines, diffs & BMW safety recalls. Why are you so anti BMW? is it because they did not agree with Arthur? BTW how many BMW's were affected -less than RS4's. I know you like numbers

BMW shocks last 50k miles (or less but you don't know), that's more than nearly all the failures on the RS4 that you do know about.

And why have you not answered all the questions?

Would you be happy with a leaking suspension? We all know how particular you are.

[ArthurPE]

'deride'? something you're well practiced in doing...
how can I explain that there is a difference between 200 psi and 14 psi?
isn't it obvious?

I don't give a flying duck what you 'take', are you serious, lol

2007?
how come there are 2008 and 2009 MY (I think, verts?) in the States
you don't know very far, lol

just checked: no MY2009

But you are happy to deride people like ^qwerty^ on here for not understanding the engineering - is it you have no answers?
BTW, you have plenty of time. Shall I list all the forums you are active on, everyday. And some you have been banned from for deriding people.

I shall take that as your final answer, an engineer who is careful about numbers, I am sure you will have taken care in providing me with these numbers. You once did say DRC failure rate was 0.01%, maybe that is what you mean by considerably less.

RS4 production ended in 2007 AFAIK.

Thank you for your responses.

[Sims]

I referenced shocks too...

would you rather replace shocks or an engine?
we were talking about problems (real or precieved) with cars

I know, 50k max, most fail sooner...many have been replaced under warranty...but still a fraction of a %...

does the rear subframe being torn from the body and ripping the uni-body count? as they settled a class action suit for...

mine is leaking...they ALL leak, just like they ALL have deposits...
but it drives fine, no bottoming out, no noises, no wallowing or oscillations...they are perfectly fine...

what are 'all the questions'?
I answer far more than you, which is none...you offer nothing but insults and inflamatory rhetoric...
I'll answer the ones I feel like answering, I owe you nothing and do not work for you...I will answer for almost everyone else, I'll go out of my way to find stuff for people, and have addressed many in PM's...what the heck of you added to this place? (rhetorical)

Arthur I question your assertions & your agenda, and I am not the only one who has on this or other forums.

[ArthurPE]

that's one thing we have in common...people think you are a loon, to put it mildly...numerous PM's questioning your sanity...
I personally think you're sane, just miserable

subframes
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/ca ... me-Damage/

engines
http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm

DCT actual government mandated recall 'increasing the risk of a crash'
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/ca ... rt-BMW-M3/

again, you insult, redirect, attack, demean, deride
again you are wrong on every count...

people will draw their own conclusions and the jury is in on you...

Arthur I question your assertions & your agenda, and I am not the only one who has on this or other forums.

[aidanjaye]

Okay, I sense a close on this thread should be SOON.
Obviously you wont agree...

Two things are obvious though and I hope you'll all agree on these points at least..

1. DRC is not the best and has its problems, leaks, failure.
2. It is a lot more than the low percentages that bods are stating (come on 1% - no way).

Anyway, can we change the subject to a more time worthy topic - how about after the 5 year warranty, WHEN the DRC fails, which is the best shocks to fit??

[scaghead]

ffs fellas, cant you just ignore each other....its like a toxic mixture of afghanastain a never ending battle, and groundhog day..

[Sims]

Two things are obvious though and I hope you'll all agree on these points at least..

1. DRC is not the best and has its problems, leaks, failure.
2. It is a lot more than the low percentages that bods are stating (come on 1% - no way).

I think DRC is great when it's working, but it has problems. And it affects a significant number of cars.

These problems have been acknowledged & are being sorted, and I see that as a positive for reliable DRC in the future.

[ArthurPE]

all things made by the 'hand/mind of man have problems'
DRC is a great system
no safety recalls
not as bad as the rear axle tearing the body apart
or the number 3 or 4 rod coming thru the block
it is all relative

Audi is addressing the 'issue' for legal/financial issues, rather than technical (hence the sevice action in the USA/Canada alone)
and I'm guessing Canada for 2 reasons, very few cars, the cross border trade in the cars
<1%, considerably...

this forum is populated by a preponderance of:
DRC issues
falsified power ratings
carbon deposits
dealers suck

it isn't a very positive or enjoyable place lately...

[aidanjaye]

all things made by the 'hand/mind of man have problems'
DRC is a great system
no safety recalls
not as bad as the rear axle tearing the body apart
or the number 3 or 4 rod coming thru the block
it is all relative

Audi is addressing the 'issue' for legal/financial issues, rather than technical (hence the sevice action in the USA/Canada alone)
and I'm guessing Canada for 2 reasons, very few cars, the cross border trade in the cars
<1%, considerably...

this forum is populated by a preponderance of:
DRC issues
falsified power ratings
carbon deposits
dealers suck

it isn't a very positive or enjoyable place lately...

I aint knocking you Aurthur - you have helped a few times a long line with my RS4 ownership - greatfull.

BUT you are lucky so far that DRC hasn't raised its head with you car. I've only had to recharge mine but feel its just a matter of time. This does dilute the ownership thrills of the RS4, and I'm sure thats what others are moaning about. Will DRC make me sell it - no. Will my wife if the DRC fails - possibly, although I might not tell her....


As for Audi dealers in the UK - generally they do suck (and not in a good way).

[ArthurPE]

I'm (we're) lucky to OWN an RS4

mine is damp, has been for 15k miles, still rides the same...
I'm goind to ask Audi to do an experiment
do NOT do the service to mine...
just measure the pressure...
if required charge to spec
then measure it every 4-6 months until the 2 years is up...
then change it (just for the heck of it, it's free) imho, it won't NEED to be...
that would be interesting

TSB

I aint knocking you Aurthur - you have helped a few times a long line with my RS4 ownership - greatfull.

BUT you are lucky so far that DRC hasn't raised its head with you car. I've only had to recharge mine but feel its just a matter of time. This does dilute the ownership thrills of the RS4, and I'm sure thats what others are moaning about. Will DRC make me sell it - no. Will my wife if the DRC fails - possibly, although I might not tell her....


As for Audi dealers in the UK - generally they do suck (and not in a good way).

[rs4v8]

you offer nothing but insults and inflamatory rhetoric...

I don't give a flying duck what you 'take', are you serious,

I personally think you're sane, just miserable

(and this is just from this particular page in the string.)

it isn't a very positive or enjoyable place lately...

There's a very simple solution for that Arthur.

Anyone interested in ArthurPE (not sure why you would be) should have a wee search on google. Makes interesting reading my friend. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[^Qwerty^]

'deride'? something you're well practiced in doing...
how can I explain that there is a difference between 200 psi and 14 psi?
isn't it obvious?

I never said there was no difference between 200PSi, 14PSi, or 14Bar. What I did say was that the pressure figure would make very little difference to the calculation. There lies a vast difference between what I wrote, and what you thought I had written.

If the compression ratio of oil is less than ~0.5% for every 1000PSi, I'm happy to stand on my statement that you don't need to loose very much oil for the pressure in DRC to drop to the point that it starts knocking/failing.

[Sims]

.. There lies a vast difference between what I wrote, and what you thought I had written.
.

^Qwerty^, as you say there is a vast difference but not just on the example you cite, but on nearly everything.

In the UK, we have so much experience with DRC failure. It's annoying, but it's getting fixed. It's not wear and tear by any stretch of imagination, & Audi UK has been pro-active.

In the US, they also have DRC failure and their forums too have been busy on this subject. Just one thread.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthrea ... drc-recall
The subject of this thread is the acknowledgement by Audi USA, bit late some will say but at least they are not in denial.

Last man standing? Art is arguing for the sake of doing so, some will say he is being stubborn. But he will be won over when/if it affects him. In the meantime, his denials etc do a disservice to this forum where so many are affected.

I wish to keep the DRC on my car, and sincerely hope that a permanent fix is available - we are closer to it than we were 2 years ago for this forum was not in denial then. The C6 RS6 DRC seems robust, and the RS5 also offers DRC, I take that as a positive for the solution for the RS4.

[P_G]

15 pages later and do you think Audi UK are any nearer to giving us the same recall option as AOA because of it?

Nope.

Give it a rest and find something more constructive to do. RS4V8, take a sip of the medicine you were suggesting to Arthur. Between you and Sims the two of you have managed to isult not only Arthur but myself and PetroDave in either comments that are derisory or condascending in this thread.

It is apparent that Arthur is passionate to the point that bating him inflames him and that is obvious yet the two of you continue to do it. And yes Arthur needs to take a step away from the PC now and again but he is not the only protagonist. And it appears that from the commetns of others who have come into this thread that they appear to share a similar opinion.

And RS4V8 why do you care anyway? You're buying a GT-R so sell up, get in your new car and be happy.