munched engine...ouch! not for the faint of heart

[Sims]

..
, I'm very interested in the technical argument and resolution to this problem.......as far as this forum goes anyway

Good point pad125.

Checkout Arthur's entry at 2:25 today, would it be helpful to to have that information if he has it?

[pad125]

I guess what I’m saying here is that we’re into 11 pages of heated debate on this subject now and all I really want to know is:

Is there any conclusive evidence that carbon build is the cause of any of the faults mentioned on this or any other forum and here’s the biggie…….has Audi held their had up and repaired/replaced the fault FOC.

[Sims]

I guess what I’m saying here is that we’re into 11 pages of heated debate on this subject now and all I really want to know is:

Is there any conclusive evidence that carbon build is the cause of any of the faults mentioned on this or any other forum and here’s the biggie…….has Audi held their had up and repaired/replaced the fault FOC.

Good question, and I suppose the answer has to be that there is no definitive answer yet.

This thread is one example of problem with the engine. Exact causes yet to be determined.

Here's 2 more examples in the last few days.

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ic&t=85752

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ic&t=85800

We know psg001 got a new engine.

Arthur mentions investigations going on in the US, and it would be good to hear his findings.

Am I worried about my car's engine - not at all .

[PetrolDave]

PD, there is no tiff as you want to see it.

I don't believe that will be the majority view...

It's fact finding, and better understanding the issue.

Fact finding would better be served by avoiding insults and blatant "point scoring".

Advancement of science and understanding isn't best served in the climate that this thread typifies - it's not debate or fact finding, it's psychological manipulation and selective quoting.

[Sims]

PD, there is no tiff as you want to see it.

I don't believe that will be the majority view...
.

It seems your mate who you always run to the rescue of (and you only intervene when he is on the defensive) is in a tiff with quite a few people. Admit that at least PD

It's fact finding, and better understanding the issue.

Fact finding would better be served by avoiding insults and blatant "point scoring".

Advancement of science and understanding isn't best served in the climate that this thread typifies - it's not debate or fact finding, it's psychological manipulation and selective quoting.

Are you going to tell Arthur that, or do you want me to?
Then we can all work together to go forward


We all want answers, but do not want to blocked by people who are in denial of everything and whose representations are disingenuous. If you claim you have relevant information , share it.

PD, you can support a person, or the issue. It's your choice, your credibility.

[PetrolDave]

PD, there is no tiff as you want to see it.

I don't believe that will be the majority view...
.

It seems your mate who you always run to the rescue of (and you only intervene when he is on the defensive) is in a tiff with quite a few people. Admit that at least PD

It's fact finding, and better understanding the issue.

Fact finding would better be served by avoiding insults and blatant "point scoring".

Advancement of science and understanding isn't best served in the climate that this thread typifies - it's not debate or fact finding, it's psychological manipulation and selective quoting.

Are you going to tell Arthur that, or do you want me to?
Then we can all work together to go forward


We all want answers, but do not want to blocked by people who are in denial of everything and whose representations are disingenuous. If you claim you have relevant information , share it.

PD, you can support a person, or the issue. It's your choice, your credibility.

There you go again, Sims, trying to make it personal.

It shouldn't be personal, about you, me, or any other member - it should be about USEFUL and CONSTRUCTIVE discussion.

[Sims]

I don't believe that will be the majority view...
.

It seems your mate who you always run to the rescue of (and you only intervene when he is on the defensive) is in a tiff with quite a few people. Admit that at least PD

Fact finding would better be served by avoiding insults and blatant "point scoring".

Advancement of science and understanding isn't best served in the climate that this thread typifies - it's not debate or fact finding, it's psychological manipulation and selective quoting.

Are you going to tell Arthur that, or do you want me to?
Then we can all work together to go forward


We all want answers, but do not want to blocked by people who are in denial of everything and whose representations are disingenuous. If you claim you have relevant information , share it.

PD, you can support a person, or the issue. It's your choice, your credibility.

There you go again, Sims, trying to make it personal.

It shouldn't be personal, about you, me, or any other member - it should be about USEFUL and CONSTRUCTIVE discussion.

I can agree with the last statement, so let's see how it goes . And no doubt you will rein in your buddy if necessary.

Everyone is after a useful & constructive discussion, and providing backup if you are going to make claims.

[scaghead]

ffs sims, cant you stop all your sarkey comments.. it is childish, you post a point [some good/ some not so imo] but in the same sentence you try to point score, it is pathetic.. you seem a very insecure fella..

[ArthurPE]

but the point is Porsche sells 100,000's of cars, 99% with DI

Really - 100,000's?

yes, since the DI was introduced
they sell ~100k per year

already 10 times as many RS4's

[ArthurPE]

I guess what I’m saying here is that we’re into 11 pages of heated debate on this subject now and all I really want to know is:

Is there any conclusive evidence that carbon build is the cause of any of the faults mentioned on this or any other forum and here’s the biggie…….has Audi held their had up and repaired/replaced the fault FOC.

no conclusive evidence
in fact the 'evidence' indicates just the opposite
had some email from Audi today, am currently digesting it

[ArthurPE]

pg001 got a new engine because a bolt failed, not carbon, and fell into a cylinder

the only thing I know for sure is that valve deposits did not munch this engine....Audi has confirmed this to him...

the other threads are 'ringers'

as far as I (and afaik Audi) know this is the first failure of this type in an RS4
many RS4's have been borescoped, no scoring

I believe issues this owner previously stated caused the damage

Good question, and I suppose the answer has to be that there is no definitive answer yet.

This thread is one example of problem with the engine. Exact causes yet to be determined.

Here's 2 more examples in the last few days.

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ic&t=85752

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ic&t=85800

We know psg001 got a new engine.

Arthur mentions investigations going on in the US, and it would be good to hear his findings.

Am I worried about my car's engine - not at all .

[ArthurPE]

ffs sims, cant you stop all your sarkey comments.. it is childish, you post a point [some good/ some not so imo] but in the same sentence you try to point score, it is pathetic.. you seem a very insecure fella..

he can't help himself, it's his nature...

if anybody has questions, PM me
or I'll give you my tele or personal email

some things are better kept private, not for my sake, but those whose engine fragged

[P_G]

Until such times as there is official information / statement from Audi on the failure of Mal's engine or any of the others who state that theirs have failed to their respective owners and they then share it on this or any other forum, perhaps it is best to leave the conjecture alone?

All I have seen in the last few pages is diatribe and no new information pertaining to the original subject, and the lack of involvement from other forum members but to suggest a similar course as I have in their own way would suggest like PetrolDave said that the majority view is that until facts are available they don't really care what is contained in these posts.

[neckarsulm]

Until such times as there is official information / statement from Audi on the failure of Mal's engine or any of the others who state that theirs have failed to their respective owners and they then share it on this or any other forum, perhaps it is best to leave the conjecture alone?

All I have seen in the last few pages is diatribe and no new information pertaining to the original subject, and the lack of involvement from other forum members but to suggest a similar course as I have in their own way would suggest like PetrolDave said that the majority view is that until facts are available they don't really care what is contained in these posts.

+1

[ArthurPE]

actually Audi told mal 'oil quality/contamination'