Petrol Prices Solution?

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Post by 15ajh » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:52 pm

Terry1948 wrote:The Haulage business is the only one that may force the goverment into reducing the cost of fuel. If we stopped delivering. The country would cease to function no fuel, no food in a matter of days the only problem is that most business would go bust.
Spot on! I run a haulage company in the construction industry, so am screwed everyway!! Trouble is take a tipper and or low loader off the road for a day to protest ends up in me loosing even more money, as still have fuel to pay for running them empty and drivers wages.

End of the day the government aren't going to do sod all if any of us protest as car enthusiats or business, except for maybe exert the long arm of the law and arrest, fine or impound our vehicles.

Would be interesting to find out what happpend to David Camerons' fuel leveler that he proposed??? Fuel no more than £1/L ???? some day maybe.

Oh you think fuel economy in our RS4/6's is bad try 8mpg from a V8 Scania tractor unit!! give or take £1k to fill up too !

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Post by P_G » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:08 pm

Shagga wrote:Seen it slated on other forums but the M3, Porker's etc @ JP flew.

No idea of cost but I bet it won't be worth it. Wonder how that would effect resale values?
I have seen a couple of B6 S4 V8's with LPG converstions, cost IIRC £3-4.5K dependent on which company you go for. They were non FSI so don't know of FSI would be an issue.

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Post by ShaneyB » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:35 pm

If everyone went to LPG you can be sure the government would soon increase taxes on it too.
Yep, just like diesel.
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Post by PetrolDave » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:38 pm

Ice_Coffee wrote:
Shagga wrote:Don't shoot the messenger but is LPG an option? Most of the cars on a Johnathan Palmer day last year were, including the M3's?

No offence intended.
Can we use LPG on our cars ??
Yes and no.

On an FSI engine the injectors rely on the fuel going through them to cool them, so they still have to be used to about 25% of the normal injection quantity. So you would be running on 75% LPG, 25% petrol.

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Post by Ice_Coffee » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:19 pm

PetrolDave wrote:
Ice_Coffee wrote:
Shagga wrote:Don't shoot the messenger but is LPG an option? Most of the cars on a Johnathan Palmer day last year were, including the M3's?

No offence intended.
Can we use LPG on our cars ??
Yes and no.

On an FSI engine the injectors rely on the fuel going through them to cool them, so they still have to be used to about 25% of the normal injection quantity. So you would be running on 75% LPG, 25% petrol.
The version I saw of lpg many years ago had it's own injectors tapped into the inlet manifold. Would that work, as you could just turn the petrol injectors off.

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Post by mrboons » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:51 pm

Ice_Coffee wrote:
Shagga wrote:Don't shoot the messenger but is LPG an option? Most of the cars on a Johnathan Palmer day last year were, including the M3's?

No offence intended.
Can we use LPG on our cars ??
i was talking to a guy recently who had LPG'd his RS6. He'd lost some of the boot space and his fuel economy was slightly worse, but the cost of LPG v petrol meant that his running cost was about 60% of that on the good stuff. Power was slightly down when he put it on the rolling road, but not massively.

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Post by PetrolDave » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:53 pm

Ice_Coffee wrote:The version I saw of lpg many years ago had it's own injectors tapped into the inlet manifold. Would that work, as you could just turn the petrol injectors off.
That will have been an indirect injection engine where the petrol injectors are in the inlet manifold.

With FSI the injectors are in the actual cylinder and without the cooling effect of petrol flowing through them they will overheat and get destroyed very quickly.

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Post by Ice_Coffee » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:16 pm

PetrolDave wrote:
Ice_Coffee wrote:The version I saw of lpg many years ago had it's own injectors tapped into the inlet manifold. Would that work, as you could just turn the petrol injectors off.
That will have been an indirect injection engine where the petrol injectors are in the inlet manifold.

With FSI the injectors are in the actual cylinder and without the cooling effect of petrol flowing through them they will overheat and get destroyed very quickly.
Yep, I fully understand what you are saying, what you say coupled with the PDF on the other thread from wynn's all comes toghether

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