dyno lies....

[ArthurPE]

but all this is moot...one simple, irrefutable fact, as measured by numerous magazines...RS4 vs M3

if you believe that a car with a 56% wt/power ratio deficit will run ~ the same speed as the car with the advantage, keep on keeping on, I will not be able to explain the err in you understanding...
M3 3550/378 ~ 9.4 lb/HP (data from rototest)
RS4 3980/270 ~ 14.7 (370 -100 in losses)
a 56% difference

[Cornishmoocher]

We do get americans over here you know!

what argument? Stating that not all dyno operators are crooks?

nothing convenient about it, but like most other threads here if it does not sit right with you, you just dismiss it out of hand.

You are unreal pal.....

[ArthurPE]

We do get americans over here you know!

what argument? Stating that not all dyno operators are crooks?

nothing convenient about it, but like most other threads here if it does not sit right with you, you just dismiss it out of hand.

You are unreal pal.....

I did not say all are 'crooks' (I did not use that word, you did...Freudian slip?), only those that want something from you or refuse to give you the real data...for whatever reasons...

I did not dismiss it, you posted no graphs, only heresay

I'm 'quite real pal', as are the 410+ RS4 HP...
just becasue you don't believe something, doesn't make it so...
just because you attack the messenger, doesn't negate the facts...

[ArthurPE]

dynos as used by most are garbage, ego strokers, mines bigger than yours BS
they are only good for relative changes on the same engine, and even then, borderline...
I've tested everything on them in the last 25 years: engines, electric motors, hydraulic motors, pneumatic motors...been to several mfgs schools on dynos...not consumer stuff like shops use, but industrial stuff like equipment mfgs use to rate an electric motors and such

fact: RS4 vs M3
according to you 370 crank guys, a 56% lb/HP difference, correct?
but they are ~ the same around the Ring
1/4 mile times vary both ways by a few 1/10'th
but yet a 56% difference would result in ~ a 25% difference in speed
say the RS4 runs 13, does the M3 run <10 sec or even 11.2 (using the cube root) ???
why isn't it MUCH faster around a high speed track like the Ring, avg speed ~ 100 mph, a power track, very few gear changes (I have telemetry traces from both cars, mostly 3 and 4th gear)

these are facts, they do not support 370 crank HP

who knows how a dyno works?
why is is called a dynomometer'?
who knows what types of dynos are available?
how the energy is disippated? or absorbed? or measured?
all you guys purport to be 'experts' well share your vast knowledge...please

[ArthurPE]

See I don't think that I need to sit here with you effin' dildos anymore!!!!
I'm outta here!!!!!!!!!!!


























































just kidding, a line from The Breakfast Club, lol
my wife called and has a sumptious meal waiting
see you later

[S2tuner]

Jeez Arthur, you just will never give it a break, will you?

[Cornishmoocher]

dynos as used by most are garbage, ego strokers, mines bigger than yours BS
they are only good for relative changes on the same engine, and even then, borderline...
I've tested everything on them in the last 25 years: engines, electric motors, hydraulic motors, pneumatic motors...been to several mfgs schools on dynos...not consumer stuff like shops use, but industrial stuff like equipment mfgs use to rate an electric motors and such

fact: RS4 vs M3
according to you 370 crank guys, a 56% lb/HP difference, correct?
but they are ~ the same around the Ring
1/4 mile times vary both ways by a few 1/10'th
but yet a 56% difference would result in ~ a 25% difference in speed
say the RS4 runs 13, does the M3 run <10 sec or even 11.2 (using the cube root) ???
why isn't it MUCH faster around a high speed track like the Ring, avg speed ~ 100 mph, a power track, very few gear changes (I have telemetry traces from both cars, mostly 3 and 4th gear)

these are facts, they do not support 370 crank HP

who knows how a dyno works?
why is is called a dynomometer'?
who knows what types of dynos are available?
how the energy is disippated? or absorbed? or measured?
all you guys purport to be 'experts' well share your vast knowledge...please

How condescending......

I think his comments really sum up what he thinks about us, he tries to blind us with large amounts of formulae and equations, feeling fairly safe that we may not realise its the formula for turning a turd into a doughnut.

you are obviously an intellegent human being, but why belittle all an sundry who DARE to question.....or stand up for their own beliefs.

BTw. No freudian slip- if you were not implying that dyno operators are crooks then i am an american....

[Cornishmoocher]

Jeez Arthur, you just will never give it a break, will you?

Minhea- I think you are probably the devil in arthur's eyes mate....

[ArthurPE]

Jeez Arthur, you just will never give it a break, will you?

Minhea- I think you are probably the devil in arthur's eyes mate....

that would presuppose that I am 'religious' and believe in a 'devil'

[Cornishmoocher]

I would imagine that because religion cannot be explained with a formula, that you probably are not- but that is nothing to do with anyone one here, least of all me.

Shalom.

[Cornishmoocher]

P.S. you will give yourself indigestion if you eat sumptuos meals that quickly........

[ArthurPE]

it was not directed at anyone in particular, note I quoted no one, nor was I responding to you...sorry you would think otherwise...

I always explain my position with facts/science...and break it down into to easily understood terms...my delivery may need improvement, but I think I give very good information...

56% lower lb/HP, that is huge! yet the speeds are relatively the same, tilting each way...

perhaps if I know a bit more about the general technical understanding of some who believe the 370 crank, 270 wheel numbers, I can tailor my explanation more appropriately....

I mean seriously, there are numerous type of dynos using different methods to measure power...the earliest, and by far the most accurate were dynamos (generator) and meters, a 'dynamo-meter'...

drive the generator, make power (voltage x current) disappate it into a load bank, resistors...measurement of electrical parameters/variables is one of the most inherently accurate to do...as opposed to say strain, pressure or flow...it's already an electrical signal, it doesn't need the mech-elec conversion (the reason why speakers and stylus are the most important components in a stereo)...it gets even simpler since the V and I are in phase, unity power factor, dues to a purely resistive load (no reactive components, L or C)

if you read the concepts I share, and take 'me' out of the equation, it may be more easily digested, lol

How condescending......
I think his comments really sum up what he thinks about us, he tries to blind us with large amounts of formulae and equations, feeling fairly safe that we may not realise its the formula for turning a turd into a doughnut.

you are obviously an intellegent human being, but why belittle all an sundry who DARE to question.....or stand up for their own beliefs.

BTw. No freudian slip- if you were not implying that dyno operators are crooks then i am an american....

[ArthurPE]

P.S. you will give yourself indigestion if you eat sumptuos meals that quickly........

saving desert for later...
cup of salad
6 small shrimp
3 oz steak
small, but good...

[ArthurPE]

I would imagine that because religion cannot be explained with a formula, that you probably are not- but that is nothing to do with anyone one here, least of all me.

Shalom.

again, presumption
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

[Cornishmoocher]

Good combo- surf and turf- YUM!