Yet another oil cooler question (well a few actually)

[Rick_RS4]

From where?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksi ... &_from=R40

so lets say roughly £50 for an oil cooler £50 for hoses, which leaves £700 for brackets and instructions

[gt2]

I can't argue with that. That's outrageous!!! That's next level daylight robbery

[Daz_C]

From where?

Radtec Radiators sell the exact same manufactures oil cooler, I guessed it was a 16 Row so £100ish all in.
Pipework and fittings from numerous reputable quality companies -
Earls https://secure.demonweb.co.uk/earls100/earls_shop/
Speedflow http://www.speedflowshop.co.uk/
Hose Technik http://www.hosetechnik.com/ (which also has something to do with Forge Motorsport according to the address)

So by my reckoning you could buy all oil cooler parts, as Forge use from elsewhere for at worst £350 then see if Forge will sell you a mounting bracket. They would have to charge £500+ for the bracket to get anywhere near there full kit cost.

[forge]

Guys you are comparing apples to oranges here a little. Yes we could have put together a kit that uses the finest Chinese oil cooler, but we figured that an RS4 owner would want the best oil cooler we could use - which in this case is a Setrab Proline 19 row, retailing at £178 on its own. The braided lines are all dash 12 to match up with the oulets on the block, and yes unfortunately this means that the hose itself retails for about £30 per metre. Dash 12 hose ends are between £20 and £30 each of which there are four. There are a total of seven individually CNC'd components, of which one (the block outlet) took well over a week of R&D time to make the best flowing part we could in the minimal space allowed to us by Audi. Two of the parts had to be made from specially sourced nylon so that where it clips over the air con condensor, it doesnt scratch the paint off over time. Its this attention to detail that you would be missing from a slung together kit of ebay parts.
This is the best kit we could make, its not compromised by cost or design - it is what it is. It comes complete with full instructions, it will fit first time every time with no cutting or bending of other components, and doesnt have you scratching around in the garage for bolts because everything you need (bar oil) is in the box. It brings together tried and tested products from motorsport and combines them in a kit which means no more trips to Audi to replace your engine oil cooler every 5 years. All of our components carry a lifetime guarantee.

[sar]

i was just going to say don't forget about the custom engine block fittings that you cant buy off the shelf, these would add a significant one off development cost if you were trying to put your own kit together.

its the lines that are the weak link, there is nothing wrong with the oem cooler design or capacity its more than enough for a standard rs4 its even good enough for supercharged cars its the stupid cheap pipe and steel fittings used on the oem lines.

i am ordering the jhm cooler lines for mine, similar price to oem but top quality pipes and anodized fittings-http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/j ... -1754.html

[Rick_RS4]

Can you sell the adapter separate then?

[adsgreen]

i was just going to say don't forget about the custom engine block fittings that you cant buy off the shelf, these would add a significant one off development cost if you were trying to put your own kit together.

its the lines that are the weak link, there is nothing wrong with the oem cooler design or capacity its more than enough for a standard rs4 its even good enough for supercharged cars its the stupid cheap pipe and steel fittings used on the oem lines.

i am ordering the jhm cooler lines for mine, similar price to oem but top quality pipes and anodized fittings-http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/j ... -1754.html

Just to be clear - Anodised fittings doesn't affect galvonic corrosion.
So you will stil need to take suitable precautions when fitting such as anti corrosion grease and / or denso tape.
However yes the john pipes look good

[Revolution]

Guys you are comparing apples to oranges here a little. Yes we could have put together a kit that uses the finest Chinese oil cooler, but we figured that an RS4 owner would want the best oil cooler we could use - which in this case is a Setrab Proline 19 row, retailing at £178 on its own. The braided lines are all dash 12 to match up with the oulets on the block, and yes unfortunately this means that the hose itself retails for about £30 per metre. Dash 12 hose ends are between £20 and £30 each of which there are four. There are a total of seven individually CNC'd components, of which one (the block outlet) took well over a week of R&D time to make the best flowing part we could in the minimal space allowed to us by Audi. Two of the parts had to be made from specially sourced nylon so that where it clips over the air con condensor, it doesnt scratch the paint off over time. Its this attention to detail that you would be missing from a slung together kit of ebay parts.
This is the best kit we could make, its not compromised by cost or design - it is what it is. It comes complete with full instructions, it will fit first time every time with no cutting or bending of other components, and doesnt have you scratching around in the garage for bolts because everything you need (bar oil) is in the box. It brings together tried and tested products from motorsport and combines them in a kit which means no more trips to Audi to replace your engine oil cooler every 5 years. All of our components carry a lifetime guarantee.

Chaps, we sell various 15 row oil coolers that are "universal", for track cars and they do a job of cooling but to be honest weve waited a while for Forge to do a proper conversion for the RS4 as this is a special car and as you can see from the Forge post, this a proper upgrade replacement unit that this car deserves.
I know what the kit costs to make and what we pay for it and there's not a great deal in it tbh, all I can say is its a lovely piece of engineering that comes with a lifetime g/tee that will work on or off track..
All hand made here in blighty in lovely Gloucestershire and you really do get what you pay for..

Big Glenn

[Youngben]

Some people are never happy. If you don't like it then your loss, simple. I know the English way is to moan but there are some right women on here. Had better support on the old M3 forum. If you put £800 worth of quality oil cooler before your engine and the possibility of if failing not long after your cooler has then there is something not quite right upstairs! When was the last time anyone priced up a new engine and replacement costs? Suddenly £800 for something that will only increase your engines life does not seem so expensive. If it still does then everyone has a local Audi dealer so on your way

[Rick_RS4]

Some people are never happy. If you don't like it then your loss, simple. I know the English way is to moan but there are some right women on here. Had better support on the old M3 forum. If you put £800 worth of quality oil cooler before your engine and the possibility of if failing not long after your cooler has then there is something not quite right upstairs! When was the last time anyone priced up a new engine and replacement costs? Suddenly £800 for something that will only increase your engines life does not seem so expensive. If it still does then everyone has a local Audi dealer so on your way

yes butdid you get yours at cost lol

[S4WON]

Guys you are comparing apples to oranges here a little. Yes we could have put together a kit that uses the finest Chinese oil cooler, but we figured that an RS4 owner would want the best oil cooler we could use - which in this case is a Setrab Proline 19 row, retailing at £178 on its own. The braided lines are all dash 12 to match up with the oulets on the block, and yes unfortunately this means that the hose itself retails for about £30 per metre. Dash 12 hose ends are between £20 and £30 each of which there are four. There are a total of seven individually CNC'd components, of which one (the block outlet) took well over a week of R&D time to make the best flowing part we could in the minimal space allowed to us by Audi. Two of the parts had to be made from specially sourced nylon so that where it clips over the air con condensor, it doesnt scratch the paint off over time. Its this attention to detail that you would be missing from a slung together kit of ebay parts.
This is the best kit we could make, its not compromised by cost or design - it is what it is. It comes complete with full instructions, it will fit first time every time with no cutting or bending of other components, and doesnt have you scratching around in the garage for bolts because everything you need (bar oil) is in the box. It brings together tried and tested products from motorsport and combines them in a kit which means no more trips to Audi to replace your engine oil cooler every 5 years. All of our components carry a lifetime guarantee.

Cool story bro, and respect to the achievement which is well out of my engineering capability, but....... The markup is your choice and the market will decide if it's fair, if not, the price will drop.

My guess is you will have more Buyers if you dropped, you are clearly offering the installation incentive and isn't out of goodwill as you are a business.

I wish you luck and am glad we have firms like you supporting our platform but make it 200 quid cheaper and it will fly off the shelves I bet!

[Youngben]

Some people are never happy. If you don't like it then your loss, simple. I know the English way is to moan but there are some right women on here. Had better support on the old M3 forum. If you put £800 worth of quality oil cooler before your engine and the possibility of if failing not long after your cooler has then there is something not quite right upstairs! When was the last time anyone priced up a new engine and replacement costs? Suddenly £800 for something that will only increase your engines life does not seem so expensive. If it still does then everyone has a local Audi dealer so on your way

yes butdid you get yours at cost lol

I would pay full price for the product for what it matters. Get over yourself mate

JHM price just the hoses and engine block at nearly $500 without brackets and cooler. I can't believe something the same price as a set of tires is a problem when it's a fit and forget part with lifetime warranty. Did someone set the finance agreement to high forgetting to calculate in running costs? Like £800 is a lot of money in this day and age?

[Rick_RS4]

I'm not having a go at the product, its top notch for the motor, it's nit unusual to spend a grand a time in this car that's not the problem just don't like my pants pulled down, I'm not the only one who thinks it's a tad expensive for what you get, however as forge say it's all top stuff and has a lifetime warranty while is great so I suppose you pay for that,

[Audi Pardner]

I've no doubt that it's an excellent product and far better (and cheaper) than the Audi version, so you can just fit and forget. The lifetime warranty's a bonus too (for as long as Forge is in business). However, the fact remains that it's very expensive notwithstanding that it's a complete kit and ready to fit. The alternative of sourcing products of comparable quality yourself is clearly cheaper provided that you're prepared to do the legwork and devise a suitable fitting method. So you pay your money and take your choice. I'll wait to see what condition my existing cooler and pipework is in before deciding which way to jump. It's unlikely, however, that I'll be able to get away with just replacing the existing pipes with the American ones given that they are likely to be welded to the cooler.

[rocket1]

yes i,m the same i,m not actually sure of the condition of my cooler yet but will soon have a look. i,m gonna try my very best to remove the pipes from oem cooler and just replace them if there in poor condition but if that fails i,ll have to replace the lot. thats when i,ll decide to go either oem or forge.