Newbie Owner - Newbie Question...

[Dom81]

Arthur

Understand your point, but things are different over here. Where I live there's no chance of anywhere near 250 (or even sakimano's 200) in town and close to home - it's half that, and why i hardly drive in London . Equally we're not so nannied out of town, so use it because we can, and want to. Your averages sound spot on for a semi-urban grocery run in a V8, but in parts of the UK that's the wrong car, or the wrong trip...

[ArthurPE]

it's a CAR
a dual purpose car
it doesn't have to be one or the other
if you are getting 15 mpg per imp gal, something is wrong with the car, even in town
that's 12 mpg (US gal)
even in town I avg 16-18 running the car up to redline on a regular basis, I would venture my ECU would indicate I spend as much time (unitized for miles on the car) as anyone above 7000 rpm

to get 12 mpg (US) I would have to drive around in first and second gear only, and accelerating full bore all the time

if you are only getting less than 200 per 15 gal, or 13 mpg (imp) that is 10-11 mpg (US)
at $8/gal and 15k miles per year that is $10+ in fuel, pre tax at your rates close to 20k!

heck, it's not me who should be considering a 1.5 TDi, I pay <$4 per gal and my car cost much less than it would in the UK, factor in much lower taxes and cost of living and you get the picture...my insurance is $700 per year and registration/inspection ~$80/year, license is a 1 time $35

i'll drive it 6 years, get 1/2 back in company expenses, and sell it for 1/2 of what I paid...break even
so thanks for the economic advice, and the feedback on how I'm not getting the proper enjoyment/cost ratio, but I'm doing just fine
there is o need to squander $$$ or resources, we can have both...there is a reason companies like Porsche are continuously improving the efficiency of the product

[sync24]

Picked up the B7 Avant on monday - all good - goes like a steam train - on steroids...

So err.... approx 300 miles to a tankful is about right then?

Let the FON begin....

Mak.

1) FON!
2) I pretty much always get 200 miles to a tank - never really seen better
3) Just don't worry about the fuel/MPG - cast those thoughts to the dark corners of your mind!
3) Grin like a 'mo fo' everytime u press that button and drive what has to be one of the best Audi and engine that has ever been made - feel very lucky to own one [I do!]

[ArthurPE]

just looked at mine
since last fill-up
used slightly over 1/2 tank in 148 miles, OBC says 145 left on the tank
did have the trip on the highway, the balance of the tank will be in town, short trips, probably get get 100 out of it

OBC 2, reset only at oil changes
2900 miles
18.8 mpg avg
94:24 hours:minutes
30 mph avg

my OBC is pretty close, maybe 1 mpg high or so

[Dom81]

if you are getting 15 mpg per imp gal, something is wrong with the car, even in town

That sounds rubbish to me. You're the numbers man - do the Arthur on stuck in traffic at 10mph, with constant stop / start

even in town I avg 16-18 running the car up to redline on a regular basis

That's why I think we have different towns. Hand up anyone's who's redlined in W1 / W8?

at $8/gal and 15k miles per year that is $10+ in fuel, pre tax at your rates close to 20k!

That's why I've done 20k from new, and the rest in a grocery getter...

[Andyy]

I fill up twice a week £78/roughly 200 miles per fill up= £8112/yr
£460 road tax
Expensive insurance for me due to age but lets say most get around £1k?
Service, mot, repairs etc are expensive i.e tyres around £300 each

Over here getting a modest family runner would easily work out 1/4 the cost

Obviously it isn't the same for everyone around the world, so guessing mike meant for people in England

Also, most people i've seen in england with an RS4 B7 gets 150-200, so no, nothing wrong with the cars...different roads, the same as to us we can't understand how it's possible for you to get 350, for us we would have to flintstone it half the journeys we do

[ArthurPE]

if you are getting 15 mpg per imp gal, something is wrong with the car, even in town

That sounds rubbish to me. You're the numbers man - do the Arthur on stuck in traffic at 10mph, with constant stop / start

even in town I avg 16-18 running the car up to redline on a regular basis

That's why I think we have different towns. Hand up anyone's who's redlined in W1 / W8?

at $8/gal and 15k miles per year that is $10+ in fuel, pre tax at your rates close to 20k!

That's why I've done 20k from new, and the rest in a grocery getter...

if an RS4 is being driven exclusively in city stop/go traffic it is the wrong car, even then I do 15 (you do 12, or 20% less)
if driven in a mix of town/city/highway and you are getting 12 mpg (US or 15 imp gal) there is something wrong with the car
heavy city in this car is 15 (US, or 18 in imp gal, that is >250 miles per 15 gal/tank)
if you are geting 150-200 something is wrong. either with the car or driver

[MikeFish]

Arthur, my point was that it is very hard or near impossible in the uk to get 350 miles from a tank of fuel. You would have to be deliberately gingerly with the throttle. As soon as you have a little overtaking fun you can forget those sorts of figures. If you can have fun and still get 350 miles there is something special about your car cos I can't. So my point is that you could have more fun in a 2.0tdi and still get 350 from a tank then you would in an RS4. In wasn't trying to tell anyone what they should spend their money on, just making a point (perhaps bad
Y) that 350 to a tank is not fun or enjoying the car but could be with another car. If you only get that occasionally and still enjoy it the rest of the time then fair enough.
I lived in London when I bought the car and couldn't get more than 120 miles between refills. Now I get nearly 200 in the countryside (mainly fast dual carriageways and motorways).

[MikeFish]

Nothing wrong with the driver, driving the car the way it was intended.

[ArthurPE]

Nothing wrong with the driver, driving the car the way it was intended.

and you know that how?
Audi confided in you the rationale for the car?

telling someone how they should drive (unless they are a danger) is as absurd as me telling you how to bang your mate


the beauty of the package is fast and efficient, up to 28 mpg (US cruising at 70 or so)

[MikeFish]

Nothing wrong with the driver, driving the car the way it was intended.

and you know that how?
Audi confided in you the rationale for the car?

telling someone how they should drive (unless they are a danger) is as absurd as me telling you how to bang your mate


the beauty of the package is fast and efficient, up to 28 mpg (US cruising at 70 or so)

I know that because it has an RS badge on the back, which I'm sure you know very well what it means. Audi didn't confide in me because I was on holiday that week but my colleague told them that if it has an RS badge on the back prospective owners might want to drive I fast.

Besides, no one is telling you how to drive it, in fact you told me that there is either something wrong with my car or I am driving it wrong so it sounds to me like you are the one telling people how to drive. I merely made the point thy if you drive so economically you might be better off with a more economical car that can be driven fater but return the same economy. At $8 per gallon, economy is the last thingon my mind.

Ps, I'd welcome any comments on how to bang my mate.

[ArthurPE]

I know that because it has an RS badge on the back, which I'm sure you know very well what it means. Audi didn't confide in me because I was on holiday that week but my colleague told them that if it has an RS badge on the back prospective owners might want to drive I fast.

Besides, no one is telling you how to drive it, in fact you told me that there is either something wrong with my car or I am driving it wrong so it sounds to me like you are the one telling people how to drive. I merely made the point thy if you drive so economically you might be better off with a more economical car that can be driven fater but return the same economy. At $8 per gallon, economy is the last thingon my mind.

Ps, I'd welcome any comments on how to bang my mate.

pretty sure Audi did not say to exceed the speed limits and drive 10/10ths 7x24
and since full power is only used for small periods of time, consumption should not be great, definitely not 12 US mpg

no, you said I should have a different car, that somehow the car is wasted on people who care about efficiency, or whom don't drive it like a madman, no middle ground...I said if it is getting 12 mpg US maximum or 150 miles/tank, there is something wrong with the car or the way it is driven, I stand by that
that mileage would indicate a mechanical problem, mechanical abuse or wreckless driving (too fast, excessive accleration on city streets, etc.)
but as long as you're safe, who cares

but why not have an RS/M/Porsche/AMG? if I can get good mileage AND have a hipo car? THAT is why these cars are so great, fast, practical and efficient
at $8/gal it should be high on your list of finances, perhaps not 'first thing on your mind', but why burn money?
if between fuel/maintenance/tires/fees/insurance/etc. it took pre-tax 20k$ a year, not counting the capital investment and depreciation, I WOULD be looking at alternatives...since it only takes a fraction of that, I'm good to go

as far as your mate, be a considerate lover (if not driver) and ask them what they like

[Dom81]

if you are getting 15 mpg per imp gal, something is wrong with the car, even in town

That sounds rubbish to me. You're the numbers man - do the Arthur on stuck in traffic at 10mph, with constant stop / start

even in town I avg 16-18 running the car up to redline on a regular basis

That's why I think we have different towns. Hand up anyone's who's redlined in W1 / W8?

at $8/gal and 15k miles per year that is $10+ in fuel, pre tax at your rates close to 20k!

That's why I've done 20k from new, and the rest in a grocery getter...

if an RS4 is being driven exclusively in city stop/go traffic it is the wrong car, even then I do 15 (you do 12, or 20% less)
if driven in a mix of town/city/highway and you are getting 12 mpg (US or 15 imp gal) there is something wrong with the car
heavy city in this car is 15 (US, or 18 in imp gal, that is >250 miles per 15 gal/tank)
if you are geting 150-200 something is wrong. either with the car or driver

Arthur - yet again you're missing my point. I've said that I hardly ever drive in town (so why say it's exclusively a city stop / go wrong car, car) - I almost exclusively drive it on the motorway or fun roads, but in central London at a snail's pace you can see the needle move faster than the car, and kiss any thoughts of a redline goodbye...
I've never given you a town / city / highway mpg
I've never said I'm getting 150-200 - how, where, what etc. ?
There's nothing wrong with me or my car

For someone so concerned with pedantry, you're inferring quite a lot. Do the math(s) - is 10mpg at gridlock speed possible?

[bam_bam]

For someone so concerned with pedantry, you're inferring quite a lot. Do the Arthur - is 10mpg at gridlock speed possible?

FIXED.

[Dom81]

Already asked...

That sounds rubbish to me. You're the numbers man - do the Arthur on stuck in traffic at 10mph, with constant stop / start