DRC Recall in US/Canada

[aidanjaye]

Correct me if im wrong but arent forums all about sharing opinions and views? Did i not suggest myself that moderators could help make the data more precise? My posting is due to the laughable 1% failure rate of b7 drc. Even with generous magins for error in my rough but practical method of calculation we are looking at 25% upwards

Lengster1 - totally agree with the 25%. Remember a lot of RS4s have really low mileages - will they get problems when the miles creep up?? Probably.

[Sims]

Correct me if im wrong but arent forums all about sharing opinions and views? Did i not suggest myself that moderators could help make the data more precise? My posting is due to the laughable 1% failure rate of b7 drc. Even with generous magins for error in my rough but practical method of calculation we are looking at 25% upwards

Lengster1 - totally agree with the 25%. Remember a lot of RS4s have really low mileages - will they get problems when the miles creep up?? Probably.

That makes sense.

Most reasonable people in the UK, USA & Canada will agree that it is a significant number of people that are affected.

And then there is Arthur with some irrelevant formula/theory & less than 0.01% etc that does not impress anyone. Strange he has not posted this link on to the US forum where is active, and where he posted the recall letter at 16:05pm on the 9th and Petrol_Dave mentions it here on July 10th at 09:42 am. Arthur himself did not mention it on 246.com, his favourite forum.



Irrelevant.

[ArthurPE]

so you're reasonable, and I am not...what a hoot...

the reason I did not post it here is because it is for the US NOT the UK, lol

irrelevant...pretty much sums you up...

no matter what you say it is <1%, considerably...
if one had the replacement unit qtys it would be obvious...

That makes sense.

Most reasonable people in the UK, USA & Canada will agree that it is a significant number of people that are affected.

And then there is Arthur with some irrelevant formula/theory & less than 0.01% etc that does not impress anyone. Strange he has not posted this link on to the US forum where is active, and where he posted the recall letter at 16:05pm on the 9th and Petrol_Dave mentions it here on July 10th at 09:42 am. Arthur himself did not mention it on 246.com, his favourite forum.

Irrelevant.

[ArthurPE]

Correct me if im wrong but arent forums all about sharing opinions and views? Did i not suggest myself that moderators could help make the data more precise? My posting is due to the laughable 1% failure rate of b7 drc. Even with generous magins for error in my rough but practical method of calculation we are looking at 25% upwards

so now it's OVER 25%, lol

1 reported case to the regulatory agencies...
a handful of replacement units supplied in the States...
and from that we draw 25% PLUS!?

I've talked to the 4 dealers within a 75 mile radius of my home...
not one has replaced an RS4 DRC...not one...
and we have possibly the worst roads in the country...
how many RS4's in the same area? ~10, so the failure rate in this case is 0%

[ArthurPE]

people with the leaks (should be everyone since it's a design flaw, all will fail eventually, and the rate approaches 100%)
have you ever seen it on the garage floor?
do the rears leak, or only the fronts?

[rs4v8]

We're all just guessing at numbers here

We're not all guessing PD.

ArthurPE has and continues to state <1%. "A whole order of magnitude less" in fact. He's wrong but he's not man enough to admit it.

[rs4v8]

Its not spooky maths Arthur unless you are calling the 133 owners on here liars????? If moderators could count up b7 owners on here it may help clarify,but i would wager we have no more than 200 posting owners of which 133 have had issues/failures.If you play the percentage game with those figures you are in a whole different ball game.

Lengster, you are spot on with this. At least the 133 is independent data which you can apply a +/- to ArthurPE. This is far more than you are providing.

Let me quote you (without laughing), " I asked some dealerships in a 70 mile radius". Thats brilliant! I now see why you aren't being very forthcoming with your "cast iron" figures.

Do you honestly believe that a dealership is going to give you sensitive info like that? And stop harping on about your one instance where the failure was reported to the Feds. Audi WOULD NOT report the failures voluntarily.

[rs4v8]

people with the leaks (should be everyone since it's a design flaw, all will fail eventually, and the rate approaches 100%)
have you ever seen it on the garage floor?
do the rears leak, or only the fronts?

Holy <beep>! Is this something approaching a U-turn?

Yes I have, on two separate occasions. The oil spills out on the floor and over the driveshafts / suspension. Rears leak and fronts leak. Immediately afterwards the car clunks and bangs loudly. The rears sound like a loose golf club's head hitting a metal surface inside of the boot / trunk.

I would venture many replacements were folks who saw the 'weeping' shocks on the internet, a normal operating condition, and went complaining to the dealer...

Normal operating condition of a system with a flaw. Shocks shouldn't fail like this Arthur and your car will be put off the road in the UK because of it come MOT time. Furthermore, my car failed twice as mentioned with pools of oil underneath. 'Weeping' is the beginning of the end AND what happens immediately after you realise your car is dead - again

I've talked to the 4 dealers within a 75 mile radius of my home...
not one has replaced an RS4 DRC...not one... how many RS4's in the same area? ~10, so the failure rate in this case is 0%

Ha ha! I just read this again!! You're basing your whole argument on approx 10 cars and what four dealerships have told you they have experience of and ordered parts for??!! Seriously?? How on earth can someone with an engineering background possibly (seriously!) extrapolate this to a worldwide model run? AND have the audacity to criticise anyone who uses 133 independent reports as a basis for analysis? You're joking right? Is this all you have?

[Sims]

people with the leaks (should be everyone since it's a design flaw, all will fail eventually, and the rate approaches 100%)
have you ever seen it on the garage floor?
do the rears leak, or only the fronts?

Holy <beep>! Is this something approaching a U-turn?

Yes I have, on two separate occasions. The oil spills out on the floor and over the driveshafts / suspension. Rears leak and fronts leak. Immediately afterwards the car clunks and bangs loudly. The rears sound like a loose golf club's head hitting a metal surface inside of the boot / trunk.

I would venture many replacements were folks who saw the 'weeping' shocks on the internet, a normal operating condition, and went complaining to the dealer...

Normal operating condition of a system with a flaw. Shocks shouldn't fail like this Arthur and your car will be put off the road in the UK because of it come MOT time. Furthermore, my car failed twice as mentioned with pools of oil underneath. 'Weeping' is the beginning of the end AND what happens immediately after you realise your car is dead - again

I've talked to the 4 dealers within a 75 mile radius of my home...
not one has replaced an RS4 DRC...not one... how many RS4's in the same area? ~10, so the failure rate in this case is 0%

Ha ha! I just read this again!! You're basing your whole argument on approx 10 cars and what four dealerships have told you they have experience of and ordered parts for??!! Seriously?? How on earth can someone with an engineering background possibly (seriously!) extrapolate this to a worldwide model run? AND have the audacity to criticise anyone who uses 133 independent reports as a basis for analysis? You're joking right? Is this all you have?

RS4v8, this guy is irrelevant. He posts rubbish on this UK forum because he can get away with it. He is very careful on what he tells his fellow Yankees for they will have his guts for garters. he would be the laughing stock of US Audi forums if he mentions on there what he mentions here. He still has not posted this thread on the Audizine forum, wonder why? He says he did not post the recall letter on here because it's a US issue - how credible is that when he posts non Audi, non motoring stuff on here. It was Petrol_Dave who did the right thing by posting this key issue on here forthwith.

All cars have issues (we can all provide lots of examples of BMW's Porsche, GTR's ), and we can all acknowledge & accept that and be constructive about it and still appreciate the package. It's about context.

Arthur was a diehard BMW fan for 2 decades at least till he fell out with them and there was litigation. So he switched his allegiance to Audi and will now defend Audi regardless of the facts.

Really we are wasting time on this guy whilst he remains in denial mode.

Clearly we are all disappointed it has taken so many years for Audi to sort out the the DRC issues, and I am sure they are not proud of their record on this. But progress is being made for the extent of the problem has been acknowledged by Audi.

[rs4v8]

Really we are wasting time on this guy whilst he remains in denial mode.

Sims, I hear exactly what you're saying. I just want to see if ArthurPE will admit that there is even a small possibility that he's wrong. He's always very quick to bash other people when they might be wrong or even when they have the downright cheek (!) to question what he says. That wouldn't even be that much of a problem, but it's the manner he goes about it that make me want to spew......

[Sims]

Really we are wasting time on this guy whilst he remains in denial mode.

Sims, I hear exactly what you're saying. I just want to see if ArthurPE will admit that there is even a small possibility that he's wrong......

A reliable source tells me that just one Audi dealership has fixed the DRC on far more cars than we have on the log. Hope that puts things into context. It was (still is for some) a problem , and it's getting fixed. Move on.

Would it put me off buying an RS5 with DRC - NO .

BTW the RS5 with the sports suspension is faster on the track.

[rs4v8]

Move on.

I'm waiting for the round of applause - but I have already!

Would it put me off buying an RS5 with DRC - NO .

Me neither, it (the RS5) just doesn't do much for me.

BTW the RS5 with the sports suspension is faster on the track.

Is it? Am I oweing you money now? I've got a japanese reason for not paying mind!!!

[Sims]

BTW the RS5 with the sports suspension is faster on the track.

Is it? Am I oweing you money now? I've got a japanese reason for not paying mind!!!

Still waiting for the official time before I settle my debts, or you have to cough up the princely sum we agreed all those months ago.

[rs4v8]

BTW the RS5 with the sports suspension is faster on the track.

Is it? Am I oweing you money now? I've got a japanese reason for not paying mind!!!

Still waiting for the official time before I settle my debts, or you have to cough up the princely sum we agreed all those months ago.

or you have too!!!

I thought you had me there!!!

[^Qwerty^]

Mine has been in twice for DRC repairs, and there were two other RS4's at the dealer on one occasion, and at least one of them was also in for DRC. (I asked) Add to that the comment of, "they are always in for that" from the MT - I'll make up my own mind on how big the problem is.