DRC Recall in US/Canada

[Sims]

I thought they made around 10,000 RS4's so the 133 reported failures here would mean 1%+ at least!

Not sure NIKKI was told here it was 30000. Even then it's not a good failure rate.

Maybe this helps?

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/RS4 ... N_List.htm

[PetrolDave]

2. No amount of clever sums will get away from the FACT that it is 25%+ of all B7 cars that suffer this sub 50k.

Where's the DATA to support your 25% figure?

If that's true then Audi UK should be able to confirm that they have replaced DRC components on something like 750 RS4s.

Until we see actual DATA any figures that any of us use are supposition, guesses, assumptions,... call them what you like.

[Sims]

Sorry not fact my previous post I retract that statement. Blaming 8 pints during World Cup Final.

I still think its a higher number than anyone thinks. I thought they made around 10,000 RS4's so the 133 reported failures here would mean 1%+ at least!

PD, this was retracted.

So do you believe it is less than 1%? I am not sure it really matters in any event.

[ArthurPE]

I thought they made around 10,000 RS4's so the 133 reported failures here would mean 1%+ at least!

Not sure NIKKI was told here it was 30000. Even then it's not a good failure rate.

Maybe this helps?

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/RS4 ... N_List.htm

US cars only, and incomplete (mine is on the list)...from what I can gather
US/Canada 3000+
UK is close to 4000 (all variants)
Germany is by far the largest market and is ~17,000
~24,000
this excludes the rest of the world, but I would estimate 80%+ of sales...

[PetrolDave]

So do you believe it is less than 1%?

Read my posts ... I've already posted that the only data we have that's relevant to the UK is a documented 133 (when I last read the sticky thread last night) failures out of a total of 3000 UK supplied RS4s.

We all know that will be an under-estimate since not all UK owners of RS4s are members here, but it at least sets a minimum value for the UK of about 4.5%.

Now if we knew how many RS4 owning members we have on here, then we could arrive at a better guesstimate for the UK failure rate. But even that wouldn't be accurate since we don't represent the population of RS4 owners, since we are enthusiasts who statistically are more likely to have and to report problems with their cars.

[Sims]

Not sure NIKKI was told here it was 30000. Even then it's not a good failure rate.

Maybe this helps?

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/RS4 ... N_List.htm

US cars only, and incomplete (mine is on the list)...from what I can gather
US/Canada 3000+
UK is close to 4000 (all variants)
Germany is by far the largest market and is ~17,000
~24,000
this excludes the rest of the world, but I would estimate 80%+ of sales...

Germany sounds too high....

This is what wiki says:

To date, approximately 10,000 B7 RS4s have been built, of which around 2,500 are in the USA.

some believe wiki, some don't.

[ArthurPE]

I would venture to say only a small fraction of owners visit forums...
in the US with 2500+ cars, I'm guessing there may be 100 owners (at most) on the main forums...most RS4 related polls have <100 replies...
so that means most likely 2400+ owners did not know there was a 'problem' until they recieved the letter...

I would venture many replacements were folks who saw the 'weeping' shocks on the internet, a normal operating condition, and went complaining to the dealer...
I know of several, even after the dealer measured the pressure to be within sepc, the dealer still replaced them (dealers make $$$ off of this, and when in doubt, replace!!!)...

so I would venture that >1/2 of what are deemed failures, are not, only goodwill replacements...
just as the US service action will be replacing many perfectly good systems...

[Sims]

US cars only, and incomplete (mine is on the list)...from what I can gather
US/Canada 3000+
UK is close to 4000 (all variants)
Germany is by far the largest market and is ~17,000
...

People overestimate the German market. As an aside, production has not ended on the E60 M5 - 8800 were sold in the US, 1776 in the UK and only 1647 in Germany.

[ArthurPE]

look at the edit history, those numbers were put there before July 2007

Maybe this helps?

http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/RS4 ... N_List.htm

US cars only, and incomplete (mine is on the list)...from what I can gather
US/Canada 3000+
UK is close to 4000 (all variants)
Germany is by far the largest market and is ~17,000
~24,000
this excludes the rest of the world, but I would estimate 80%+ of sales...

Germany sounds too high....

This is what wiki says:

To date, approximately 10,000 B7 RS4s have been built, of which around 2,500 are in the USA.

some believe wiki, some don't.

[PetrolDave]

the only data we have that's relevant to the UK is a documented 133 (when I last read the sticky thread last night) failures out of a total of 3000 UK supplied RS4s.

Using the data in the sticky we can also set an upper limit on the affected UK owners since we have 12 NO FAILs and 133 FAILs - so the upper limit is 91%.

So we know the UK failure rate is somewhere between 4.5% and 91% - that's such a wide range that it's not possible to draw any conclusions from it. I'm not even going to attempt to guess at the real figure, there just isn't enough data for a guess to have an value.

[Sims]

We all know that will be an under-estimate since not all UK owners of RS4s are members here, but it at least sets a minimum value for the UK of about 4.5%.

We can certainly agree on that, and in all likelihood it's going to be double digits. And it's also a enough of an issue in the US. And most important Audi is on top of it.

[ArthurPE]

but having 'Audi on top of it', is that reassuring?
after all, it was those dang 'German engineers' who caused the whole 'problem'
can the broken machine fix itself

and how do you go from 4.5% based on/derived from questionable data, to a factual 'all agreed upon' double digits? that is some spooky math

[lengster1]

Its not spooky maths Arthur unless you are calling the 133 owners on here liars????? If moderators could count up b7 owners on here it may help clarify,but i would wager we have no more than 200 posting owners of which 133 have had issues/failures.If you play the percentage game with those figures you are in a whole different ball game.

[PetrolDave]

We're all just guessing at numbers here - all we know from the data we have is that the UK figure is between 4.5% and 91%.

Unless and until someone can come up with some membership figures, or an extended "NO FAIL" list (or a "NOT WILLING TO COMMENT" list?), or figures from Audi UK then we cannot narrow down the percentage.

We need more data, not more opinions...

[lengster1]

Correct me if im wrong but arent forums all about sharing opinions and views? Did i not suggest myself that moderators could help make the data more precise? My posting is due to the laughable 1% failure rate of b7 drc. Even with generous magins for error in my rough but practical method of calculation we are looking at 25% upwards