DRC Recall in US/Canada

[rs4v8]

Pretty sure? or only a wee bit sure? Mind and get the FACTS now won't you....

Are you honestly telling me that AoA are going to release sensitive corporate information into the public domain?

Are you also suggesting that Arthur has AoA info which covers only US cars? You are his mate and expect that you have been busy little bees on the pm. Perhaps a wee slip there P_G??

How can he possibly use AoA / US only data and extrapolate it to the 30000 cars worldwide and still have FACTUAL information? He was / is very clear in stating the 30000 cars (worldwide) in his argument...

You're the guys who are berating my argument for having no FACTS. Where does this little gem you've let slip leave Arthurs??????

Arthur did allude to the fact he got some free oil from Audi

He's a 25% chance (IMHO) that he'll need more, and not for his engine.
133 Arthur BTW...... Got it yet......?

[ArthurPE]

I won't insult you.

Makes a change. Your point is MOOT regardless.

insulting people re: 'tool' is not moot, at least to the insulted

[ArthurPE]

,... but is LESS than 0.1%, considerable less...

Let's get real fella.

why don't you go about bashing the Germans and let the big boys deal with this...

[ArthurPE]

..
I checked the federal auto safety site...only 1 RS4 reported for leaking shocks...after review of the mfgs records, no trend was noted, and it does not present a safety hazard...case closed...

I case and Audi America launch a recall.

Denial mode again.

it's not a 'recall', that is legally mandated
all this information is public record...1 complaint, dismissed

it's a voluntary service action to avoid costly litigation...
the complainers would not prevail, but the COST of litigation outweighs the benefits of the action, ie, cost and customer relations

[ArthurPE]

2 engineers (one of them I believe is an automotive one) busily trying to make a case for the problem. Funny

Accept it, Audi know a lot better and they are on the case.

2 engineers discussiong tchnical rationale vs someone who has no idea of what the system entails?
I'm going with the the engineers, not the 'stoker'

yep, Audi knows exactly how many replacement units were sent...
so does the NHTSA....
far less than 1% (at least in the US)
I can not see how that would vary much in the UK
perhaps a 3rd world country with hellish roads it would be higher...

[ArthurPE]

if someoen files a complaint (and only 1 has been filed) Audi has to respond with statistics...

are you saying Audi is conspiring to circumvent law?
that is a pretty serious accusation...

1 complaint >2500 cars in the States
with the internet, TV, etc., don't you think this would have gained traction by now?
100's of complaints?
safety issue, lol

Do Audi have to report failures to the feds in the States? Would they if they didn't have to or could Audi describe it as 'wear and tear' rather than a failure? I suspect they wouldn't report it if they could get away with it for a variety of reasons from a corporate level down to the fact that the technician didn't have the time and /or the inclination to do the paperwork even if it was a legal requirement. There are many ways to skin a cat. Believe me I know, I've made a career out of it......

Toyota are a perfect model for what can happen if you admit you have a problem publicly - despite having the best intentions in the world to admit the problem AND put it right.

Seriously, if that is what you are basing your <1% theory on Arthur then it all makes sense now, and that is no sense at all.

[ArthurPE]

[ArthurPE]

perhaps the 'handful' are the rational?
after all top grades only go to 10% of the class

yes there is an issue, if you look at 1 system that failed...
if you look at it statistically, no issue, <1%, much less...

it's not I who railed against 'German engineering', when in fact it was 'Japanese engineering'...now THAT is irrational

who makes the DRC dampers?
hint, it's a common aftermartet replacement...

RS4v8, let's face it what Arthur thinks is irrelevant to all here except to a handful of people. You will never get any information out of him for reasons that are obvious. Arthur did allude to the fact he got some free oil from Audi

Do you think Arthur will post a link to this thread on the US one?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthrea ... drc-recall

There is a significant issue with DRC. That's it

[aidanjaye]

1 car in the US out of 2500???? Can't really believe that. Ater the one "case" I'm sure thats why AOA changed their stance - otherwise they wouldn't have bothered and just claimed the fault was a one off case.

I may be wrong though.

[ArthurPE]

I've always wondered why the DRC system isn't monitored...
just put a pressure sensor on each circuit and tire it into the OBC, much like the TPM system...

I suspect many of the 'failures' have been replaced when still withing spec
all hydrulic systems leak, period...ever look at the rams on an excavator?
hence the TSB showing mild leakage as normal, dampness
perhaps monitoring the system when it got low say <14 bar, thern it would be recharged...

what is the system pressure? I've heard 12, 14 and 16 bar?

[ArthurPE]

ONE case reported to the feds...over 2500 cars
the case was reported like 2 years ago...I doubt that one case had anything to do with Audi's action...the feds never acted on it, they must have determined it to be insignificant, and anomoly...it's not a safety issue...

1 car in the US out of 2500???? Can't really believe that. Ater the one "case" I'm sure thats why AOA changed their stance - otherwise they wouldn't have bothered and just claimed the fault was a one off case.

I may be wrong though.

[P_G]

Sims, you are just being silly now!!
You know, I know and everyone else knows, that just won't happen.

What won't happen?

Like said I'm pretty sure from reading his posts Arthur is quoting numbers he got from AOA like I said in a previous post so they do not pertain to the entire production run of RS4's and as I said previously I am sure he can correct me if I am wrong in saying that. So I have given him the opportunity to comment.

Does that keep the fish wives happy?

Pretty sure? or only a wee bit sure? Mind and get the FACTS now won't you....

Are you honestly telling me that AoA are going to release sensitive corporate information into the public domain?

Are you also suggesting that Arthur has AoA info which covers only US cars? You are his mate and expect that you have been busy little bees on the pm. Perhaps a wee slip there P_G??

How can he possibly use AoA / US only data and extrapolate it to the 30000 cars worldwide and still have FACTUAL information? He was / is very clear in stating the 30000 cars (worldwide) in his argument of a <1% failure rate...

You're the guys who are berating my argument for having no FACTS. Where does this little gem you've let slip leave Arthur's??????

To answer your qquestion - what you said does make me happy. very.

Good, jog on then and take Sims with you on your run and stop insulting everyone else who has an opinion. I've got better things to do than apparently both of you than be PM'ing other members to coroborate a point of discussion that the two of you jointly have made into a mockery.

I'm not Arthur's 'mate', I'm not his friend; the association begins and ends at both of us posting on this forum. I couldn't care less what AOA release publically or don't. I'm berating you RS4V8 for stirring things up with absolutely no concrete evidence of the size of the 'issue' in respect of DRC leaking and its prevalence in RS4's. Happy like Sims to slate others but offer no evidence to the contrary like Statler & Waldorf but not funny.

And do us all a favour in not quoting the DRC list because it is not representative, never has been (albeit a concerted start) and only will be when it is a comprehensive list of either all 3500 RS4's in the UK or however many were built.

I have never quoted numbers, statistic or figures of my own associated with this topic as I would not have any idea of the numbers involved and from what you have posted neither have you.

[Sims]

Yet another constructive thread that has been arthured.

The recall news is a positive for all RS4 owners everywhere.That's it.

[Sims]

[ArthurPE]

Yet another constructive thread that has been arthured.

The recall news is a positive for all RS4 owners everywhere.That's it.

I would say it was you who derailed this thread from the git-go...

I'm not sure the 'service action' (not 'recall', huge difference) will affect anybody outside the US/Canada, let alone 'everywhere'...

the good news, it's not a big issue...

in fact, the 75k warranty may be a better deal...
suppose someone in the US has the 'recall' done at 30k miles, and the car fails at 51k miles, right outside the 50k warranty...they are stuck, where as the UK owner with the 75k warranty is covered even if they had replacement at 30k miles...
and the replacement units will be the gen 'c' stuff...