Facelift Vs Pre-facelift

[AdamS4]

Apart from the visual difference (Front headlights, Side repeaters, and washer sprays), what other bits are there ? And are they worth it ?

[DavidT]

There is lots of info on the differences in here if you search. Here is a good one:

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... t=facelift

[AdamS4]

Ah cool.... Thanks.

I did do a search but it didn't bring up anything like that.

[AdamS4]

Found some more info doing a bit more searching.....

Audi S4 Facelift Vs Pre-Facelift

Pre Oct 99
Oct 99 - Dec 99
Post Dec 99

Some cars, in mid-changeover, had the facelift body, but the pre-facelift insides. Mine is an example of this. These are sometimes referred to as "1999.5" models

Facelift
Once Piece Headlights and Indicators (not two separate units)
Centre Console has different switches and layout
Digital clock with date on the Dash
Concealed windscreen washer jets (Not on bonnet)
S4 badge moved from the top lip of the boot to next to the number plate
Some even later cars have different S4 badge on the back and dash
Better Designed K03 turbo with bigger oil lines
Exhaust manifold was modified
F-pipe was removed
Cover over battery compartment
Front & rear brake setups
Heated seats switches move from high up to low down
AC controls different
Pushbuttons in dash are wide rather than tall
Audi ESP
Reversing lights to the lower half of the rear cluster,
Rectangular side repeaters


Pre-Facelift
Flush fit door handles
Square side repeaters
Separate headlights and front indicators
Windscreen washers on bonnet

Anyone add to this ?

[mattsimis]

Pre-facelift - more likely to have exhaust manifold rattle!

"Cover over battery compartment" - hmm.. would like to get one of these for my pre-facelift.

[GrahamS4]

Bootlid and rear bumpers differ.
High level brake light carpeted on facelift.

Your list for facelift is a little misleading as it depends which facelift. The F-hose delete was only vvvvvv very late cars i believe.

[jfeb]

99.5 cars also vary in which facelift features they get. There isn't a "standard" 99.5 feature list.

[QuantumJohn]

99.5 cars also vary in which facelift features they get. There isn't a "standard" 99.5 feature list.

Is this really the case? I have never seen a 99.5 car that had some of the external mods and not others. For example, I know that the headlights were not updated without changing the side repeaters and body mouldings because the front wings were different to accommodate these.

Likewise I have never seen a 99.5 car with the external body updates that didn't have the facelifted centre consule.

John

[jfeb]

Sorry - I should have been more specific (although I had meant to type "internal features"). 99.5 cars vary in which internal facelift features they have. All seem to have the newer centre console, some have digital clock - some have analogue clock, some have ESP - some don't (OK, not really an internal feature - other than the button to turn it off!)

I was just being lazy with my typing

[yorkie]

Anyone know if the facelift battery cover fits the older model?

[QuantumJohn]

jfeb,
No apology needed. Just wanted to clarify my own understanding!!

yorkie,
As far as I can see there is no reason why the bulkhead scuttle panels shouldn't fit the pre-facelift cars. They are secured by the rubber seal that runs along the rear of the engine bay and slide underneath the windscreen lower plastic trim.

John

[GrahamS4]

Anyone know if the facelift battery cover fits the older model?

Let me know if you get a price for the part

[DavidT]

I don't think it does, I seem to remember Doug @ MRC saying that. I could be wrong though.

[GrahamS4]

I think you might be right. I recall it down to something like the battery or brake fluid bottle position being a little different.

[ChipHazzard]

IIRC only the very last b5 facelift's had the F-hose removed and these car's are fairly rare from what I can gather but I'm sure to be corrected