Project S4-MH500

2.7 V6 30v biturbo - 251bhp
2.7 V6 30v biturbo - 261bhp
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Post by confusionhunter » Sat May 17, 2008 10:29 pm

Hmmm started mocking up the Downpipes... this is one big ass exhuast!#
I drove up to www.Stainless-creations.co.uk in falkirk and spoke to Greydon aboutthe project and he was king enough to supply materials to do the downpipes myself and quoted a decent price for the rest of the exhaust once the car is up and running.
I specced a tiwn 3 inch simply because the 3 inch material is for some reason cheaper than 2.75! anyway..... It soon became apparent how big 3 inches is compared to the standard!
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However the pre-cat chambers are nice and big so I am going to use the std top pipe....
Now, Ive removed the precats on std S4 downpipes before and its a royal painin the bum... but this time was a lot easier as I was able to get right into them as Id cut the Downpipe off.. before
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after a big chisel and a big smack stick....
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Soooo much easier.... Id consider cutting the precats off and welding the std pipe back on if I was doing std ones again... made it soo much easier.
anyway...
I made the pipe sit flush and shoddily welded up the top part and tacked the rest together to get it all tigged up by Greydon. I'll grind away most of my iffy welding at the top....
but... this exhuast will flow some serious gas!
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I have to say the flanges Liam at ESP engineering made are a perfect fit.... Im giving him a free plug as he still hasnt asked for money for them despite me hassling him! lol
Once they are done I'll knck up some steel braces to help the manifolds support the turbo weight and then the whole assembly can go back in the car.... with the exception of the FMIC and the oil cooler its all just a case of bolting it all back together!!!
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Post by grizz » Sat May 17, 2008 11:00 pm

Looking good mark , I thought you had been on a welding course ?? :lol:
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Post by arS4 » Sun May 18, 2008 4:25 pm

fantastic project - spent the last hour having a good read!!
Can't wait to see how it ends up :)

Nice One.

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Post by confusionhunter » Sat May 24, 2008 10:34 pm

OK Doke, I have been busy, honest... Most things have gone well but not all... suffered a couple of minor setbacks for my deadline (under 2 weeks)....more on that later.
Anyway... on with the fabrication.... I'll not go into as much detail but basically it took some time to fabricate the Turbo brackets. The goal of these were to take some of the weight of the turbos so the manifolds aren't bearing the full weight which may increase the chances of them cracking. So the requirements are the need to help bear the weight, still allow a certain amount of flex (for heat expansion) and minimise heat transfer to the gearbox (which they are bolted to...) with nowt more than a few bits of metal lying about, an angle grinder, vice and a welder....... ! No probs...

Well first of all I noticed on a prefacelift manifold I had, already had a strange support bracket:
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For those interested the part no. on it is : 078 253 034 BP... Only on one side though, the shape of the other manifold is such that its not that simple.
So of course I lopped that off and welded it on to the Tubular manifold:
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Well to skip a couple of evenings messing about and trying different methods (and swinging off the downpipes to measure the flex). I came up with these...:
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I made a video of the amount of flex there was before and after... but Im having software issues so that will have to wait for now... Sorry.... So next I needed to find some ceramic, phenolic or fibre washers and things to try and minimise the heat transfer. I tried a few places but couldnt find anything suitable. So I ended up chopping up the supplied manifold gaskets with the manifolds which look to be thin metal plates with some fibre in between, so I doubled it up got some longer bolts for the manifold to turbo flanges and bolted them all up after making minor adjustments to allow for the extra spacers (meaning the original holes etc were slightly out of line and adding the washers etc)....... and I painted them with black VHT (very high temp) paint......cutting up the gaskets...
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Finished effort:
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DPs were looking good after I had a chap tig weld everything up ( and replace some of my iffy welding...)
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Another shot to show you how much more these will flow over std!:
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I treated some parts of the downpipes with black VHT paint too... End result is an engine/transmission assembly ready to go in the car!!! woo hoo!

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Looks the business from the side....I would say it certainly looks the part for 250bhp a side!
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nice.... sooooooo to the point....

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so the assembly is in the car.....

However remember I mentioned set backs?
setback number one: I wanted black silicone hoses for the FMIC and as such I have to wait for them to be made as all places I tried only keep blue.. how long? 4-5 weeks.... I'll be fitting the standard ICs then for the move!... this also means I cannot fit the oil cooler (as that was going to live where one of the side ICs live....) oh well not the end of the world.

Setback number 2. When bleeding the clutch system I tried getting the wife involved to pump the peddle, but it was taking ages.... so I got the pressure bleeder out. I didnt run high pressure and started to bleed the system. Suddenly the fluid reservoir burst and splattered brake fluid over the windscreen and roof!!! luckily I was pretty quick to mop it up and get a handy hose over the roof and windscreen..... what a pain in the butt.
However.... its a holiday weekend which means I wont get a replacement till tuesday and the clock is ticking..... doh doh doh doh doh.....
Mark.

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Post by confusionhunter » Wed May 28, 2008 5:45 pm

well..... after the last couple of minor setbacks I've hit a significant setback..... however it was half expected and planned for so its not the end of the world.
After securing the front and putting the bolts in but not tightened at the back of the assembly I turned it over a few times to circulate the fresh oil I was feeling the excitment of the light at the end of the tunnel!! However Upon tightening up the back subframe bolts what I thought might happen did.......

The downpipes dont fit! I uses the old downpipes and measurements of the tunnel to fab up the downpipes in the firstplace and I wanted to keep the bends etc to a minimum, however the top of the flexis were about half an inch too high and too far out from the gear box. Damn.... Something that couldnt really have been spotted without fitting the engine. I could have test fitted the engine before welding but I took the risk thinking well a test fot means an extra fit and removal where I could fluke just one fit.... alas it didnt pay off..... soooooo

I removed the engine! I'm quite well practised at it now so only took a couple of hours. I was thankful I hadnt managed to bleed the clutch afterall otherwise I would have needed to do it again!!(or remove the slave cylinder instead).

Anyway, Managed to get a a 90 degree bend and cut it in half and suffered discomfort in cutting up my otherwise perfectly good downpipes! Anyway..... see the before and after pics! There should be plenty of clearance now which is good but the flexis have moved back a bit which will need to be corrected in the cats and bypass pipes.... No problem:
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To top it off my angle grinder packed up so needed to hunt out a new one, so that stopped play for a couple of days. Because of the angles there are a couple of significant gaps in the down pipes that I needed to make infill plates for to make it as smooth as possible before giving back to my welder... which is tomorrows task.... hopefully he will be able to turn them around in time for the weekend.... then less than a week to move day..... cutting it close!
Mark.

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Post by Pekka » Wed May 28, 2008 7:30 pm

Your downpipes look quite similar to mine, i did them the same way using the original top pipes as you do. I was allready wondering how you are going to get them fit, since when having the 3" down pipe coming all the way to the flexpipe - there is not too much of a space left.

Anyway, just wanted to tell from my experience that it wasn't too difficult to build the downpipes while the engine and transmission were in place (Well, i did have a change to use a car lift...) , and i used only one 3" 45 deg curve from the std. toppipe to flexpipe (So no too many or tight curves made there).

But here is the most important; keep going on - this is nice thread to follow.

almost there!

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Post by dubwhizz » Wed May 28, 2008 9:02 pm

awesome updates, cant wait to hear this sometime.

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Post by loomx » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:44 am

Any updates? news on the manifolds?
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Post by albinoDUB » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:44 pm

awesome stuff!

looking forward to seeing this running

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Post by Blue_Thunder » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:06 pm

Mark's build continues on AudiSRS - http://audisrs.com/about259.html

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Post by g60bv » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:06 pm

cant it follow on on this forum. please
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Post by rs4steve » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:09 am

g60bv wrote:cant it follow on on this forum. please
he has issues cylinder head valve clearances incorrect may have been down to tooth out on cam timing , bent valves possibility damaged seals??

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