Manual gearbox swap

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Classik » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:55 pm

simonpoulton wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:04 pm
Classik wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:48 am
Very nice car indeed, but I need a bigger trunk for the family..
Good plan, stops them getting their sticky fingers and muddy shoes all over the Recaro seats. You could even put the dog guard up to make sure they can't climb back in to the main bit of the car!
Haha, that's not very nice! :? But had the children been too bad, I would have change them first before even thinking of changing car or gearbox! :twisted:
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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Shoppinit » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:02 pm

It was other people's grubby kids ruining my RS6 that prompted me to get the Volvo.
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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Siph3r » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:52 pm

Classik wrote:I'd say to each his own, and tbh I'm not that much interested in pure performance as such, but by the 'experience'.
If you enjoy driving - as we all do here I suppose- you understand there is a world of finesse in this clutch pedal, letting you decide exactly how and when to deliver the power to the wheels, just by playing with the slip.
Although it's probably true the latest generations of automatic gearbox would beat the manual equivalent in a 0-60mph contest, an old automatic gearbox like the 5HP24 always feels annoying and 'distant' to me. So yeah, even when driving a 'barge' like the RS6 :shock: i prefer to keep the stick! :)
Totally Agree.

When time comes and my 5HP24 dies, it will be time for a manual swap. Not only the feeling manual car gives, but I will also appreciate the weight reduction the manual swap gives.
5HP24 weighs in at apx 146kg with fluids, so a prob 60kgs lighter DQT diesel box will only be beneficial.

Have spoken to a guy who has put the BCY engine into his B5 and even if he is only using the 3 bolts that lines up between the 01E and the BCY block, and has the car producing apx 880bhp this holds up pretty good in this track car.

So i might skip the adapter plate also.

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by rs4wagon » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:17 am

DQT comes in b5 shape as i have put this to my rs4,recon with rs6/a6 prop etc will also fit c5?I bought 2.5tdi v6 as a donor car to do manual in my rs6,but dunno box code,need to check

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Bowers155 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:42 am

I have also done the same bought an a6 2.5tdi Quattro to do a manual swap but that’s as far as I can be bothered with mine at the moment. Will post up some pictures as I make progress in a new thread 👍

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Classik » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:59 am

Sounds promising! 👍
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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Mark-RS » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:47 pm

So is this feasibly cheaper than a auto box rebuild ? I'm guessing only if you can do the work yourself ?

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Shoppinit » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:03 pm

What about the ESP / ABS modules?
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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by prnit » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:31 pm

The biggest problem with manual gearbox swap is the abs/esp and software/ecu problems. As I know only one company is able to do that well in Europe and it is R Performance company located in Warsaw/Poland. Just keep in mind that they have a LOT of different projects and sometimes You need to wait around 4-6 months to do any job there. They did a manual swap and it works without any problems, without any abs issues and all other. I dont know about the final price but I think it should be around 4K-4,5K Euro. This is the web page of that company http://www.rperformance.pl/eng_index.php

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by benh999 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:41 pm

MTM did one however they used an 4.2 S6 bottom end already mated to a Manual gearbox and built the engine up...

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Shoppinit » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:51 pm

MRC have done it, too. Bam_bam's for example.
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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by benh999 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:01 pm

Shoppinit wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:51 pm
MRC have done it, too. Bam_bam's for example.
My friend enquired recently at MRC for a manual swap and was quoted close to 15k iirc :shock:

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Shoppinit » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:03 pm

Price has gone down then.
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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by benh999 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:36 pm

Shoppinit wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:03 pm
Price has gone down then.
You need to seriously love your car and want a manual at all costs to justify that price. Unless of course you’re minted and money is no object :thumbs:

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Re: Manual gearbox swap

Post by Bowers155 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:01 pm

I managed to get my 2.5tdi a6 for £260 off eBay with current Mot, I’m a mechanic in the vw group so all work will be done myself bar the coding of abs that will go to MRC 👍

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