Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

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Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Imola_Sid » Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:42 am

Sorry this is so longwinded... Been a member here for quite some time and this issue is a general electric/headlight one so hopefully anyone who understands headlights/electrics might be able to shed a bit of 'light' lol.

I'll do a brief timeline of what's happened as its pretty ridiculous!

1. Bought a 2014 Mercedes GL63. The passengers side headlight had a dull led strip (drivers side was fine and the dash was throwing up a warning light).

2. Researched it online and came to the conclusion it was simply the module. 

3. Ordered a chinese copy, fitted it, didn't work. 
4. Ordered a genuine used one, fitted it, didn't work. 
5. Took it to a coding guy. Didn't work. Was told it's the headlight not the modules. 

6. Completely fed up, i bought a genuine used headlight (no modules included). 

7. Fitted the headlight with brand new D1S Osram bulbs, used old modules, but the led strip still the same (dull).

8. Tried the drivers side module (i know i should have done this at the start!) on the new unit and it lit up properly (so it was a module afterall and I had had bad luck purchasing 2 faulty units previously!)

9. Ordered another chinese copy module (same one as step 3).

10. Before fitting the chinese copy module, I went for a drive at night and noticed the new headlamp high and low beam working in reverse 🤦🏻‍♂️ constantly on high beam and when I pull the stalk it goes down to the low beam.  The bulb/plug can only be fitted in 1 direction.  The other headlamp was working correctly as always.

11. Fitted chinese module and the error went from the dash and LED worked 😀.  However, the high/low beam issue (working in reverse) was still present 😡

11. Took it to my mechanic, unplugged it, took the bulb/module out and fitted it to the old headlamp to test.  High/low beam working fine on the old unit with the same bulb/module. So it must be an issue with the headlight.

I'm at my wits end with this.  To think I had the correct solution from the very start but was sold 2 faulty units and then bought a full headlamp and found it to be faulty too!  You couldn't write this!

Do anyone have any ideas? Is there anything that can potentially be done without having to remove the whole unit again (bumper off job!)? Maybe modify wiring etc so it works the other way round? The wiring can be unplugged quite easily through the arch liner and is accessible.

I really don't fancy taking it all apart and fitting the old headlamp for 2 reasons; a) it has a foggy lens and has dirt on the inside and b) the car clearly has had a bump at some point on that side so removing the bumper again will no doubt result in brackets and stuff breaking. It was a pain doing it once and if I can avoid doing it again, i would be much happier.

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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Shoppinit » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:32 pm

Could it have been a LHD headlight you bought? Or could the Osram bulb you bought be for a LHD?
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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Imola_Sid » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:04 pm

I did think that but its definitely on high beam as opposed to lhd/rhd setting. The part numbers match and the car allows you change the lights depending on which side traffic (i can see it adjusting when changing the setting). To eliminate a bulb issue, I tried it in the old unit and it worked fine.

I assume the unit i bought has been messed about with as the lens looks new. I wonder if the projector has not been installed properly.

I'm curious to know how the wiring works going in to the lamp and if it could potentially be as simple as swapping 2 wires so high beam becomes low beam and vice versa.

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Post by Shoppinit » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:19 pm

Yeah, that’s what it sounds like.

I don’t think you want to mess with the wiring, even if it’s straightforward, which it might not be. If you can get your hands on the electrical diagrams we can try to figure it out.
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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Imola_Sid » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:57 pm

I'll see if i can find anything 👍🏻👍🏻

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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Riggs » Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:08 pm

Hi Sid

Basically the modern Mercedes headlamps are not worth the plastic and LED’s they are made of. We have replaced a few headlamps and modules on all different types of mercs for various faults. We have a CLA coming in soon to have the drivers headlamp replaced due to the LED not working. the customer supplied a secondhand module and the LED has gone really bright compared to the other and the headlamp aim has gone sky high. We have had our Genuine Merc computer on there trying to reset reprogrammed etc with no joy. Feels like these things have become a one time deal as in once they are fitted to a car there is not reprogramming ETC. we did speak to our tech support and they advised us that there is light counter for the LEDs which you can try to reset but it is a 50/50 chance, we tried it and it stayed the same. Hope this helps a bit.

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Post by Shoppinit » Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:24 pm

When did headlights get so stupidly complicated?!
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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Riggs » Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:38 pm

Don’t mate it’s nuts what’s out there now and what’s coming . Have you come across the matrix headlamps in the later high ends Audis, you have to have a 12k digital beam setter to set them up then gen Audi software to programme them and then carry out an ADAS calibration after your done !! Crazy money!!!.
We had a customer with a 2017 4 series she scuff her bumper and cracked the headlamp £2200 later, then she did it again a month later !!
If you the QR codes on later headlamps that how you get the coding for them, crazy stuff!!!
Think we should go back to oil lamps haha

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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Shoppinit » Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:15 pm

Utterly bonkers. No wonder insurance is so expensive these days.
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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Imola_Sid » Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:02 am

Riggs wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:08 pm
Hi Sid

Basically the modern Mercedes headlamps are not worth the plastic and LED’s they are made of. We have replaced a few headlamps and modules on all different types of mercs for various faults. We have a CLA coming in soon to have the drivers headlamp replaced due to the LED not working. the customer supplied a secondhand module and the LED has gone really bright compared to the other and the headlamp aim has gone sky high. We have had our Genuine Merc computer on there trying to reset reprogrammed etc with no joy. Feels like these things have become a one time deal as in once they are fitted to a car there is not reprogramming ETC. we did speak to our tech support and they advised us that there is light counter for the LEDs which you can try to reset but it is a 50/50 chance, we tried it and it stayed the same. Hope this helps a bit.
Thanks for the reply.

Surprisingly the LED issue is fully resolved with a module off Amazon. It looks identical to the driver's side and no coding was needed. I paid £500 for a used headlight and when it arrived it looked immaculate (the lens had been changed). Only issue now is that the high/low beam are working the opposite way round (only on this new unit!).

When we removed the modules and tried it on the old unit to rule out the bulb/module, the high/low beams worked as they should. So it's definitely the headlight. I'm just dreading taking it all apart again and if it was a case of swtiching 2 wires to swap the high/low beam, I would do it.

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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Shoppinit » Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:14 am

Yeah, but if the headlight internals have been put together wrong then by swapping the wires you might never be able to adjust the beam properly and you’ll fail MoT.

Best solution is to get a decent headlight replacement. Bloody annoying, I know.
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Re: Non Audi problem... Any electricians / headlight experts that can help?

Post by Imola_Sid » Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:25 pm

You're probably right Ben, I'll see what i can do 👍🏻

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