DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

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DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by skyegtb » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:32 pm

DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s
Hello all. Just did this job to my car after suffering both front flexi’s failing simultaneously. My car has Milltek downpipes, but the replacement of the flexi’s would be very similar with the standard downpipes too. Also, not sure if this is really a DIY for everyone as it definitely requires a ramp, a transmission jack and a welder; but it is a pretty straightforward job. The only issues were the difficulty of cutting and grinding off the old flexi pipes, and then doing a neat job of welding the new ones on. Anyway, here goes:

Lift car off the ground.
Take both front wheels off.
Take the engine under tray off.
Disconnect the suspension height sensor on the passenger side.
Lower the car.
Take the air filter housing off and plug the intake holes with rags.
Unbolt the 3 bolts that hold the suspension strut to the car on each side.
Siphon the coolant from the header tank.
At the back of the engine the 2 coolant pipes that go to the heater matrix need to be disconnected as the engine will be dropped 2-3 inches. About ½ a litre of coolant will be lost when opening these pipes.
With all of the above done, raise the car again.
Optionally (and preferably) at this stage the entire rear cat back section of the exhaust can be removed (personally I left it on) but this required a lot of faffing about with ropes to secure the exhaust after I had dropped it from its rubber mounts.
Also of note, at this point, I had considered removing the downpipes from the car completely, but I was unable to free the rear oxygen sensors from after the main cats, so decided to do all work in situ.
As both of my flexi’s were virtually severed I cut through the remaining metal which separated the exhaust from front to rear.
With the pipes cut the (not) fun part of the job of cutting and grinding the old flexi’s from the exhaust began. I used 2 x 4” grinders, one with a cutting disc and one with a grinding I disc. I also used a die grinder connected to my compressor to do the final cleaning. This is a horrible job and needs full PPE including a face mask. I reckon I had all 4 pipe ends cleaned in about 1 hour, but it was a long hour!!
During the above ‘cleaning’ you need to lower the subframe at the rear to give adequate access to the top of the front part of the downpipes.
To lower the subframe, you need to firstly take the weight of the engine and box on your transmission jack (my one has about a 6ft height on it, so easy to adjust to a comfortable position) – I positioned the load bearing points at the bottom of the gearbox mounts and this worked well. Next loosen the 2 forward subframe bolts (18mm socket). I loosened these about 5mm each. Finally remove the 2 small bolts (13mm socket) from the rear subframe mounts and then remove the large rear subframe bolts entirely. Great care must be taken during this stage as the load will shift from the subframe bolts on the transmission jack.
The subframe will need to be lowered and raised a few times during this job to give the required clearance for each task.
Without disconnecting the driveshaft you can lower the subframe about 2 inches, this gives enough room to do this job. If the downpipes were to be removed I imagine the driveshaft would need separated at the aft of the box and this would allow 2 or 3 more inches of drop.
The fitting of the new flexi pipes will be a matter of personal choice. Personally I went for 2 x 150mm long flexi’s that were designed to sleeve over the 60mm pipe ends on the downpipes. It should be noted that the Milltek downpipes are 70mm diameter, but at the connection points for the flexi’s it reduces down to 60mm where the flexi’s are welded on.
I’m not going to go through the process of cutting and shaping up the new flexi’s, or the welding, but the pictures are self explanatory, however, even with the subframe lowered access to the top of the downpipe for welding is extremely limited and I had to use a mirror to see a few of the spots that needed welded.
When the new flexi’s are welded in place you pretty much put everything back in the reverse order of the dismantling.
When you top up the coolant you need to remember to bleed the coolant system through the pipe in the plenum chamber.
I spent about 6 hours doing this job and it was not really a fun job due to the amount of grinding and the constant awkward access, but the actual dropping of the subframe is very simple. The welding I did was less than perfect, but probably as good as I expected – the welds are air tight but not the prettiest!
Couple of points of note: The subframe should not be shifted from its original position or this will knock the alignment out – it certainly did not move for me, but I had marked everything just in case it did. The silver paint on the downpipes is just heat resistant paint to make the repair look a little neater for the photos!

I hope this was of some interest, for me it showed how relatively easy it is to drop the subframe to get access to the downpipes.
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Re: DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by Shoppinit » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:00 am

Thanks for posting this. Very tidy job. :thumbs:

I am going to have to replace mine at some point since they snagged on something and ripped a bit of the weave. I knew it would be a barsteward job and you've confirmed it. Think I'll put it off for a long as possible.

I suspect this is pretty much impossible to do without a proper lift.
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Re: DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by skyegtb » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:48 am

Yeah, it's not the nicest job. I suppose it could be done on axle stands but that would make the grinding and welding even more difficult and unpleasant.
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Re: DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by mavada » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:17 pm

...now we have seen your car from underneath, do you have some piccies from above?
Nice Job by the way :D
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Re: DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by skyegtb » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:36 pm

Hi Mavada. If you search for my posts there are a few other DIY's and stuff with pics of my car in it.
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Re: DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:47 pm

Nice job!

I also replaced both my flexi joints last time my motor was out.
Only point of caution was that I bought flexi joints that were for the correct size of the exhaust - and found that in this size the flex joints were smaller, creating a restriction.

In the end I bought flexijoints that were (I think) 2 sizes larger - these had the same inner dia on the flexi as the stock joints - so it took a little extra fabrication & welding to make up some sleeves to get them to fit the exhaust pipework.

The original downpipes, IIRC, are 63mm. But you need to buy 76mm flexis to get the correct ID on the flexi - and make sure they are "ILOK" flexi's, and also as short as possible.
These are the closest to OEM I could find:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262580409861? ... EBIDX%3AIT
The flexi section, diameter wise, was near as dammit identical size to stock, I think. (I was a bit obsessed about not creating any more exhaust restriction)

And obviously a bit of extra swearing cutting the ends off and welding in sleaves to get them to fit the exhaust.
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Re: DIY to replace both exhaust downpipe flexi’s

Post by skyegtb » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:09 pm

I guess I was lucky because the replacements I ordered were near enough identical to the Milltek originals. There is definitely a restriction there from 70mm to 63mm approx, but I was happy enough replacing like for like.
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Post by Mɐʇʇ » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:14 pm

Yeh, I got a bit carried away! :biggrin3:
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Post by EireRS6 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:20 pm

Is the link above correct as I think I need one of these?

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Post by Mɐʇʇ » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:24 am

Yes - but be mindful the pipe size on these is bigger than stock as per my note, so they need welding on the sleeves to fit. The reason for that is to ensure you get the right size iloc joint to ensure no restriction.
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Post by EireRS6 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:32 am

Cool. Cheers Matt

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Post by EireRS6 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:52 pm

Does anyone have access to the pictures that were in the original post by skyegtb?

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Post by skyegtb » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:33 pm

https://postimg.cc/gallery/17h8t2hme/

Try that link, that's where the pictures are meant to be!
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Post by EireRS6 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:50 pm

Much appreciated!

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Post by EireRS6 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:24 pm

Is the O.D. of the pipe either side of the flexi 63mm?

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