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Bluetooth stereo music +RNS-E: everything you need to know

Post by stu » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:22 pm

This solution was for my B7 RS4. There's nothing fancy going on: it's a simple inexpensive solution and it works beautifully.

It's so simple that it'll work on any car with mono Bluetooth hands free and an audio aux-in.

Here's what my car does:
  • - music from iTunes, Spotify or internet radio plays through the RNS-E;
    - the music fades out and pauses for incoming/outgoing calls;
    - the OEM bluetooth handles the calls exactly as before;
    - music comes back on after the calls;
    - all while my phone sits in the untampered-with OEM cradle beside the RNS-E unit.
...witchcraft you say? Nay, 'tis twenty-first century wirelessness and it's easier than you think. It's worth understanding it a little bit first though.

The really important bit that makes this all possible:
iPhones have the ability to stay connected to several slave Bluetooth devices at any one time and choose different devices for different tasks. This ability is key to the slickness of the whole setup. The iPhone uses the OEM mono Bluetooth setup for the phone calls. It uses the new Bluetooth stereo input for the music. I think it's safe to assume android phones, iPads, other tablets can do the same, but I've done this with an iPhone 4S. I've also played music from a Nexus 7.

Here's why the aux-in > stereo Bluetooth receiver > iPhone is better than other solutions:
  • - I get to stream music from Spotify (my current favourite music player);
    - I can listen to internet radio - BBC 6 Music in my car without a DAB tuner!
    - keeping the OEM cradle gives better signal in rural areas;
    - the finished effect is OEM and clutter-free - all extra bits are in the glove box;
    - the RNS-E and OEM hands-free isn't interfered with;
    - It's inexpensive and adaptable to newer devices as and when they come along that output to 3.5mm audio sockets.

Any downsides?
- you need to find a good Bluetooth receiver, but I'll mention more on that a bit further down.
- you can't change tracks using the RNS-E buttons. All functions bar the volume are on the phone screen. I personally thing this is an upside.
- you have to tell the iPhone to connect at the start of each journey. This might be unique to me bluetooth receiver or a consequence of an always-on receiver. There's a shortcut to doing this mentioned further down.


What you need:

1. An AUX IN installed in the glove box. The original part for the RNS-E unit in the B7 RS4s can be bought from the Kufatek website. I dreaded installing it myself so opted for a pro to do it for me. The socket is very neatly installed at the back of the glove box, just to the left of the multi changer. [/list]
2. 12V socket in the glove box. I opted for an always-on socket and the pro put one in adjacent to the aux in. Nothing fancy - just a black socket on a short cable from the audio shop pro's drawer. Apparently they use them a lot when installing bigger sound systems in cars.
3. Bluetooth stereo receiver. I opted for a Belkin model that was inexpensive (£15 off Amazon) and a good one to experiment with. All Bluetooth units are very low power so can be powered off USB.
4. USB car adapter(s). These come in 500mA, 1 amp and 2 amp flavours. Most are of questionable quality! Half an amp was fine for my particular receiver but other stuff such as phones need 1A, tablets/iPads need 2A to charge at normal speed. Easy way to find out: read the small print on the device's 240V mains adapter.
5. 12V multi socket extension Only if you want to do other stuff at the same time in your glove box like charging things: camera batteries, iPads etc.
6. A good quality 3.5mm-3.5mm audio cable This can be a weak link - explained more below.


Things in a bit more detail

Not all Bluetooth stereo is good.
Some Bluetooth devices have superb bluetooth stereo output, some have bad and you won't know until you try. It's a bit of a lottery to be honest. I have a new JamBox portable speaker for holidays and it is superb with an iPhone. There have been several improvements with stereo Bluetooth over time but it's neigh on impossible to know for sure which receiver is best until you try it. If you have a newish phone you can be confident that your receiver is the weak link - proved of course that you've proved to yourself that the 3.5mm cable and the aux-in kit is good.
It might also be worth mentioning that If you find a home Bluetooth receiver that you like but runs off a mains adapter, check the 240V adapter's output. There's a good chance it will be 5V. USB is 5V. Chop the power cable off the adapter and solder it onto a chopped USB cable. Easy peasy.
The Belkin that I've used is cheap as chips. With the engine off, music paused and RNS-E volume high I can hear a background hiss. Turn the engine on or the volume down to levels I want to listen to and the noise isn't perceptible. In day to day use the music quality is on par with music from the SD card with great range and bass. I was pleasantly surprised.

3.5mm audio cables can be hit and miss
Try a few different cables form sound source to the aux in socket. I lost loads of bass with the first one I tried, either a bad connection with the aux-in socket or crappy quality wire. The same wire works fine with other devices so it really threw me. I'm glad I didn't blame the Kufatec kit! With the right audio cable I think the range and noise is equivelent playing off the RNS-E SD slots. I was confident that the setup was good, and the weak link was definitely going to be the Bluetooth streaming.

Choose your USB adapters carefully!
All the blueooth receivers I looked at only need the most basic of USB power outputs (5V/500mA) so no problems there. I'm just going to keep mine turned on all the time day/night for handiness as I can't see 2.5 Watts draining the car battery easily. If you want to charge your iPad or other biggish devices in the glove box you're gonna need more power: all their chargers output 5V/2amps. Big stuff will still charge if plugged into 500mA or 1A USB sockets but at a trickle. The device won't always say tell you that it's charging if connected to low power sources but check the battery percentages and you'll see them go up very slowly.

Other devices will play well too.
I know from experience that the iPhone 3GS has the same multi slave device capabilities as the 4S, although I haven't tried it in this setup. I have also tested it with a Nexus 7 android tablet. Works fine except for a glitch in the Spotify app itself which won't play the next song on the queue if the screen is off. I think this is specific to the Nexus 7.

You can get a shortcut on your home screen direct to Bluetooth where you can choose to connect
This is easy on an android. For iPhone users: if your BT stereo receiver of choice doesn't auto connect, get a homescreen shortcut to the Bluetooth settings page by jailbreaking. Not scary at all. Install an app from the Cydia Store called Homescreen Settings and job's a goodun. If you have no idea how to jailbreak, google 'lifehacker.com jailbreak' and read their Always Up To Date Guide. No more Settings>scroll>General> scroll> Bluetooth for me at the start of every journey. Tap tap done.


The parts that I used

Kutfatec item 37898: AUX IN retrofit kit Audi RNS-E is what you need for a B7 RS4
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/index.php?pa ... &info=1312
Does exactly what it says on the tin. You will have to have your RNS-E coded with a VCDS to see it as a source in the menus. I'm not sure if this is the same for other RNS-E units in other cars.

Three way 12V socket extender
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008PMIBGK
Sits very nicely up in the hole where the owners manual is supposed to be. Use adhesive black Velcro spots to stop it moving around.

The Griffin PowerJolt 2 Amp USB adapter is a good quality adapter
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003LGT4WU
I bought two just so I can charge a few things at the same time on road trips. My Nexus 7, her phone etc.

The Belkin Bluetooth Music Receiver is cheap as chips and works very well
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0037LHUSE
I'm not saying this is the best. It's cheap but it required me to make up a USB cable to power it. At this price I won't feel to bad trying a few others to see which is best but after several hours in the car I think it's a keeper. Only slight downside: this Belkin doesn't automatically connect to the iPhone. Maybe it does when it powers up and down. It pairs without codes and without having to press any buttons on the device itself.


And that's it! Everything you need to know in one overly long post!
Well, probably not everything. Ask me things. Correct me on stuff. Add your ideas.


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I'll insert a photo or two shortly of how things look in the glove box. It's all hidden when shut but I know you lot prefer to look at pictures than to read sometimes. :lol:

Stu.

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Vestax32 has come up with his own streamlined version of this setup which he messaged to me plus photos:

He used this:
http://tinyurl.com/cctf4gb
...plugged into this:
http://tinyurl.com/ch8j5t9
...with a good quality cable into this:
http://tinyurl.com/d2kj5zm

This works better for him as he doesn't need to charge/power other things in the glove box. It auto connects on power up.

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Post by Mr V10 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:31 pm

I've just had a skim through that and that is EXACTLY what I've been after - I also listen to a lot of internet radio and Spotify. I've got my car booked in for some RNS E upgrading already, reverse camera and Bluetooth, I'll get the aux in and Belkin Bluetooth receiver added to the list too. Many thanks for such a detailed post, this is a definite sticky. :thumbs:
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Post by stu » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:42 pm

Thanks Amar! As long as you have decent 3G network coverage you'll be a very happy boy with this setup. Internet radio and Spotify streaming needs more bandwidth than GPRS can supply - I'm sure you know that anyway. I just revert to the songs stored on my iPhone when that happens - either iTunes or the 'downloaded for offline play' Spotify playlists of the stuff I've played before and liked.

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Post by bam_bam » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:21 pm

TL;DR.

Seriously though, well done mate... it needs a sticky, PhilT? PHILT???
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Post by stu » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:29 pm

bam_bam wrote:TL;DR.

Seriously though, well done mate... it needs a sticky, PhilT? PHILT???
Point taken! Once I got started I couldn't stop. :lol:

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Post by vestax32 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:13 pm

This is also EXACTLY what Im after, will be getting this sorted shortly......
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Post by Coaster » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:20 pm

Great write up- thanks!
So just to be clear- the iPhone is in the cradle on the dock and therefore powered up with antenna boost. It is streaming music via 3G and "volleying" it onto the Belkind receiver via Bluetooth. This is connected to the car via 3.5mm audio jack and powered up by USB via the 12v adaptor?
Is the iPhone 4 compatible with the standard GSM phone prep and RNS-E assuming an appropriate cradle is used? and does the GSM phone prep allow use of the 3G network?

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Post by stu » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:27 pm

Coaster wrote:Great write up- thanks!
So just to be clear- the iPhone is in the cradle on the dock and therefore powered up with antenna boost.
Yes.
Coaster wrote:It is streaming music via 3G and "volleying" it onto the Belkind receiver via Bluetooth.
I don't want to insult your intelligence, but read this four step explanation and the ins and outs will be crystal:

STEP ONE
A song file is in the music device's storage (mp3, acc, mp4, the list goes on)
-or-
A song file is on the internet and is is 'streamed' to the device over a WiFi connection or a 3G connection. GPRS is too slow for this. Poor 3G might not be enough.

STEP TWO
The song file is read by a music app on the iPhone (iTunes, Spotify, and lots more);
-or-
The streamed file is read on the fly as it is slowly streamed to the iPhone (Spotify, Last.fm, TuneIn Radio)

STEP THREE
The music is sent to the 3.5mm socket
-or-
The music is sent to the Bluetooth output processor/transmitter in the iPhone

STEP FOUR
The music is sent via a cable to the headphones/car aux-in: Sound!
-or-
The music is sent via radiowaves to a set of speakers with built-in Bluetooth receiver or a Bluetooth headset: Sound!
-or-
The music is sent via radiowaves to a Bluetooth receiver device (the Belkin), which has a 3.5mm output, into which headphones/car aux-in and be plugged: Sound!

Coaster wrote:This is connected to the car via 3.5mm audio jack and powered up by USB via the 12v adaptor?
Yes, exactly. The 'USB' is just for power for the Bluetooth receiver that lives in the glove box. The USB adapters convert the 12V to 5V.

Coaster wrote:Is the iPhone 4 compatible with the standard GSM phone prep and RNS-E assuming an appropriate cradle is used?
No one talks about 'GSM' anymore. Maybe if you have a B5 S/RS4 or something older. The B7's physical connection with the phone is purely for charging and for improved signal My solution is 100% dependant on your phone connecting to your existing hands free via Bluetooth. I do not know what will happen if your phone is conventionally wired to your car's hands free. I suspect it will handle the music playing then the call in/outs just the same but I am onyl guessing. If you try it report back.

Coaster wrote:and does the GSM phone prep allow use of the 3G network?
I really don't know. I've only had two cars with hands free - my old Z4 Coupe ('57 plate) and my current B7 (which is older, funnily enough!). Both just used Bluetooth to connect. What phone, car, cradle are you using? As mentioned above, does your car have bluetooth hands free? I hope you've figured it out from the above speil that you don't want to stream music you don't need 3G.

Clear as mud? :shock: :lol:

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Post by PetrolDave » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:43 pm

Coaster wrote:and does the GSM phone prep allow use of the 3G network?
The answer is in the question -

GSM = (Global System for Mobile Communications, originally Groupe Spécial Mobile) = 2G

WCDMA = (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access) = 3G

The Audi phone prep is GSM only, and hence 2G.
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Post by stu » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:58 pm

PetrolDave wrote:The Audi phone prep is GSM only, and hence 2G.
Cheers Dave. So no streaming then.

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Post by Pyrotechnic » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:58 pm

Nice write-up.

I've got the Aux plug, just need to get it installed, not bothering with Bluetooth though, I'm fine with wires lying around.

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Post by stu » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:47 am

Hi Vestax32, I've posted your links and you photo into the bottom of the original write up. Seemed to be the most sensible thing to do.

I'm probably going to change receiver to your recommendation. Is is still working as you expected? Should I also change my power supply to the 12V socket to power up/down with the ignition?

Stu.

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Post by vestax32 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:06 am

Stu,

Yes all is still working as it should. I'm positive the Tunelink receiver is the best option, as it offers auto connect AND auto play. Options are switchable through the free app. It will need to power up/down with ignition though. I have also now added one of these to the line up;

http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/prod ... male-cable

The 0.2m version is perfect, causing as little mess in glove compartment as possible, but a bit expensive for a small cable!
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Post by MNK » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:26 am

Great writeup. Have you had any battery drain problems so far?

I've just started using Spotify... can't believe such a headache to get Bluetooth audio in to C6 though! Luckily I've got a QED uPlay sitting around so will just plug that in.

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Post by stu » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:41 am

MNK wrote:Great writeup. Have you had any battery drain problems so far?

I've just started using Spotify... can't believe such a headache to get Bluetooth audio in to C6 though! Luckily I've got a QED uPlay sitting around so will just plug that in.
No battery drain problems. Having said that, the car is never left longer than a week. Power consumption from the bluetooth receiver is tiny.

The QED uPlay will do the job. It's got one of the best codecs ('Apt-X') which will give you great sound if you're lucky enough to have a phone that also can use that codec. iPhone 5 doesn't have it. Galaxy S3 does. Nexus 4 probably doesn't according to reports.

As vestax32 mentions though, your device might benefit from a power source that goes on/off with ignition: it might auto-connect to your phone every time. I have to ask my phone to connect through the menus each time.

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