Evo Magazine Group Test

[Magrillz]

For those of you who still enjoy a retro magazine rather than the online version, Evo mag have a group test of the RS6, Merc E63s and Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid ST.

Doesn’t seem to be available online yet but worth a read. Gets a very good write up, comments such as....

Not only the most agile RS6 but the most agile Audi Sport model this side of an R8!

[welwynnick]

I've always listened to what Autocar says, and they're not historically disposed in favour of the RS6. Powerful engine but the chassis is a blunt tool, is what they usually say.

Not this time - they don't complain about understeer or harsh ride ONCE! On the whole they're complimentary, saying that the Audi just isn't as hard core as the BMW or Merc, both of which they criticise for comfort.

It might be a bit soft to say some of the C8's attributes are it's comfort and refinement, but they are real attributes. If going fast is the only thing that matters, then get a track-day car.

What? Not practical enough? Not enough room? Wouldn't want to drive to Manchester in the rain in one? Well - going fast can't be the only thing that matters, then.

Cars like this have to do lots of things well, and they don't succeed by only being good at one. By being a luxury car as well as a hot-rod, could Audi have hit the target better than anyone else?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/audi/rs6-avant

Nick

[rtd]

The one thing the RS6 was always nailed down for was crushing speed/power - that was the party trick. There’s only so much a 2 ton car can do on an A road! I hope the performance version levels things up or I’ll be looking at something else.


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[2 5HAN]

The one thing the RS6 was always nailed down for was crushing speed/power - that was the party trick. There’s only so much a 2 ton car can do on an A road! I hope the performance version levels things up or I’ll be looking at something else.


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Honestly I wouldn’t worry about the performance figures and magazine reviews. Go and drive one and I don’t think you will be worried that another car can beat you by .5 of a second to 60 or that they can beat your mid range by a fraction.
I have a noticeably faster car but honestly the RS6 has something about it that makes it better. It’s not all about the performance in my opinion.
Also if you do want more speed there are already warranty approved mods from ABT at 740bhp which is more than likely what the performance model will be anyway.

[RS6chris!]

C8 is chalk and cheese over a C7 as well

[doodlebug]

Be chalk and cheese C8 vs C9 by the time we’ll be driving again.

Is the ABT product supported in the U.K.? It isn’t for the RSS4. Germany only I believe.

Performance version will have a mild uplift, not another 150hp.

[2 5HAN]

When I spoke to them they said yes supported in the UK via their dealer supply network.

[doodlebug]

Ok, that’s not the same as being supported by the factory warranty. So ABT will warrant their bit but your factory warranty goes.

[RS6chris!]

Audi will laugh you out of dealer door when you try to claim ABT tune or not!

Personally ABT have been ruining fast Audi’s for years with gash body kits and utter dreadfull alloys.

If you want a map just go MRC Or similar.

Either way kiss warranty goodbye.

[rtd]

Audi will laugh you out of dealer door when you try to claim ABT tune or not!

Personally ABT have been ruining fast Audi’s for years with gash body kits and utter dreadfull alloys.

If you want a map just go MRC Or similar.

Either way kiss warranty goodbye.

The Nogaro Edition C7 had an ABT approved map in Germany.


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[RS6chris!]

Yes Germany

Not in the UK

[Leo-RS]

C8 is chalk and cheese over a C7 as well

In what way? Certainly not in performance.

C8 is a huge 140kg heavier in basic trim over the C7 so even the non performance version of the C7 had a better power to weight ratio than the C8, never mind the C7 Performance.

C8 should have come in at 650hp to compensate for its extra bulk. Pretty much every review that it has at the moment with its competition, it’s getting beat and coming bottom of the pile. That certainly wasn’t the case with the C7, the opposite in fact.

Audi have gone soft with the C8 on the straight line performance aspect anyway. However, of course for a car in 2020, the C8 will naturally be a step up from the C7 with tech, design, comfort etc. Audi should realise though that the RS6 is renowned for its brute force and coming bottom in every straight line test at the moment is not good enough. Performance model needs a good increase in power to get it back to where it should be.

[gsc]

C8 is chalk and cheese over a C7 as well

In what way? Certainly not in performance.

C8 is a huge 140kg heavier in basic trim over the C7 so even the non performance version of the C7 had a better power to weight ratio than the C8, never mind the C7 Performance.

C8 should have come in at 650hp to compensate for its extra bulk. Pretty much every review that it has at the moment with its competition, it’s getting beat and coming bottom of the pile. That certainly wasn’t the case with the C7, the opposite in fact.

Audi have gone soft with the C8 on the straight line performance aspect anyway. However, of course for a car in 2020, the C8 will naturally be a step up from the C7 with tech, design, comfort etc. Audi should realise though that the RS6 is renowned for its brute force and coming bottom in every straight line test at the moment is not good enough. Performance model needs a good increase in power to get it back to where it should be.

That said in most tests it’s being compared to the M5 competition, E63s and Panamera Turbo S e-hybrid, not the standard versions of each model so the tests aren’t quite accurate but may be from a price point of view, time will tell when the C8 performance arrives.

As for the difference between C8 and C7 I can see rear wheel steer and the new air suspension being better but so it should for being 5 years newer. As for tech, I’m not a fan of the dual haptic screens, nor the ‘iPad stuck on dash look’; here’s hoping that a facelift will have haptic MMi with a scroll wheel and ‘traditional’ climate dials.

It’s certainly not worth my C7 plus £70k to change, that’s for sure.


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[RS6chris!]

The C8 handles and rides in a different league to a C7.

I realise how bad a C7 was after being in my C8.

In the real world the speed element makes no difference it’s more than quick enough for fast driving...the extra torque takes up the slack.

Not everyone’s thing but tech and quality is also miles ahead of a C7 with its dated interior etc.

Just my ten pence worth.

[dannyuk]

C8 is chalk and cheese over a C7 as well

In what way? Certainly not in performance.

C8 is a huge 140kg heavier in basic trim over the C7 so even the non performance version of the C7 had a better power to weight ratio than the C8, never mind the C7 Performance.

C8 should have come in at 650hp to compensate for its extra bulk. Pretty much every review that it has at the moment with its competition, it’s getting beat and coming bottom of the pile. That certainly wasn’t the case with the C7, the opposite in fact.

Audi have gone soft with the C8 on the straight line performance aspect anyway. However, of course for a car in 2020, the C8 will naturally be a step up from the C7 with tech, design, comfort etc. Audi should realise though that the RS6 is renowned for its brute force and coming bottom in every straight line test at the moment is not good enough. Performance model needs a good increase in power to get it back to where it should be.

Spot on - I got my deposit back from the dealer, who also said a lot of customers are waiting for the perf.

Upgraded tech means nothing - it's in line with all the other Audi's if your buying and RS6 it's because you want a monster sleeper that can beat or at least match anything off the line, the base C8 doesn't so that. I wouldn't be surprised if they get the perf version out the door quick.