non symmetrical Turbos

[dodgydave]

I never said I'm a tuner

How much am I allowed to laugh at this statement, especially in the light of today's posts on some other forums??? Would you mind answering, mr "I never intended not to get you to map my car" or mr "I don't plan on becoming a tuner"???

Beware people, mr dodgydave has gotten his hands on a few tunes for B5 RS4s and is going to attempt making his own tuning based on those tunes. The only problem is that he has never received the original tuner's authorization to read/copy those files, and that is called intellectual property theft!!!

Dear Mihena,

A blatant LIE! Please back this up before you make such false accusations!! Which 'tunes' have I copied!! Tell me names; tell where you get this BS from?

Otherwise I deserve a public apology.

I haven't even got the equipment to copy any files nor am I interested in copying your shitty code!! I'm just looking into developing my on software because I trust nobody in this country to do so. Period!!

It's a free world and I can develop my own software. If it wasn't for MRC's bad service and attitude I wouldn't have to look into other options. Because believe it or not, not so long ago I thought you guys where alright and I trusted you and supported you!!

This is all in this matter I will ever say and only because you falsely accused me in public like a little boy on the playground.

Grow Up!

Dave

P.S.: My apologies for making this public but I will not be falsely accused in public.

[S2tuner]

Dave, I think you're just digging your grave a little bit deeper. I don't owe you any apology, I have proof and evidence of you having equipment to read/program ECUs, and I don't need to hear about you any further. MRC's bad service and attitude? What ones? The free of charge base map for big injectors, which you only received because you were going to get me to map your car, when you had been talking to my friends BEHIND MY BACK for months about getting them to map your car? You're just a liar Dave.

Stop here Dave before everyone starts laughing at you, it's only friendly advice.

Also, a free world does not mean paying for a remap entitles you to reading a file and making your own based on that. The remap you got from my friend is his own intellectual property, and you reading it (which I know you did) means intellectual property THEFT.

Mods, please lock this thread.

Mihnea

PS: if you had a bit of respect, you could at least try to spell my name correctly.

[johneroberts]

This thread is being watched play nicely boys
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[dazzer]

This thread is being watched play nicely boys
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You bet it is

[saf]

I never said I'm a tuner

How much am I allowed to laugh at this statement, especially in the light of today's posts on some other forums??? Would you mind answering, mr "I never intended not to get you to map my car" or mr "I don't plan on becoming a tuner"???

Beware people, mr dodgydave has gotten his hands on a few tunes for B5 RS4s and is going to attempt making his own tuning based on those tunes. The only problem is that he has never received the original tuner's authorization to read/copy those files, and that is called intellectual property theft!!!

Mihnea, I jutst read this thread and think its pretty unfair accussing Dave on the forum instead of leaving this as a strictly off forum affair.

Im not sticking up for Dave here, or you, just simply the truth.

FROM WHAT I KNOW, Dave doesnt have the equipment to read code off ECU's. So it would be pretty impossible to read or copy those files youre talking about. Unless youve seen him do this with your own eyes then thats not proof. If he has bought equiptment to do this, whoes to say it works or doesnt work, and whoes to say that he has bought this equipment to copy your files in particular. I think thats down to him what he buys or doesnt buy and how he uses it. Its an assumption at best unless you can provide evidence which I think would be welcome by Dave.

On the other hand if Dave has copied files and you can prove it then I guess Dave is in the wrong and deserves to be named and shamed.

Saying you have proof he has bought equiptment that is able to read and copy files isnt proof to suggest he has copied or infringed any copyright you or anyone else has done.


If he had copied your files or someone elses files then it would be totally out of order. I fully understand that and noones works deserves being ripped off.


In regards to the map that he took off you, I was told that there was a problem with the ABS and thats why he decided to get a map from someone else because he was unhappy with the service from you which I think is his right. If the temporary map you produced didnt do the job Dave wanted then its up to him to go elsewhere.

Many people are happy with your maps on this forum and I for one was more than happy with the map you gave me last year. You will always find that some people however will not like your product. You cant make everyone happy can you? No business has customers that are all entirely satisfied.

Instead of the both of you waging war like this on the fourm, just get on with your own thing. this is not what the forum is about.

Mihnea if youre concerned that Dave is ripping off your software then obtain hard proof and take it throguh the propper channels ie. a solicitor. With the proof, you will have no problem putting an end to your concerns.

I hope noone rips anyone off here. Just play fair, and be nice to each other. This is suppoed to be a forum to help each other.

Seems like we have 2 non symetrical turbo charged forum memebers here and if you really want to sort things out then I think the manly thing to do is to take it outside (off the forum).

Hope you both sort out your differences. Looks like in this post over the last few weeks some serious "I know more than you" has been going on. If you gonna discuss things do it nicely in a learn from each other kind of way.

In the light of whats been happenning on this forum recently, with members leaving because of pety arguments over silly things, its beginning to lose its enjoyment and sence of belonging. This is supposed to be an enthusiast club where we enjoy our cars and the banter. Anything else is best kept off the forum. Thats my opinion.

[S2tuner]

Moh, why don't you stay out of this? Have you seen anything here posted about you by any chance? Now to answer your points:

-you were told that Dave had problems with the ABS. Fair point, however, his ABS problems were only related to a coding issue with the ECU, which has nothing to do with the file that was flashed inside the ECU, AND that only happened because he never brought the whole car to get flashed, only the ECU. Had he brought the car to get flashed, we could have recoded the ECU and he would have never had the issue. Second, he never mentioned anything about the ABS not working on his car until he managed to crash his car, driving it like he stole it while he was still running the engine in. Does that sound pathetic to you? It does to me. Any issues with ECU coding for ABS/ESP happening on cars that we don't see (i.e. where we only get the ECU to flash) are well beyond our responsibility and liability, I'm sorry and I hope you'll agree with me that it isn't something we can control!!!

-I never mentioned he ripped any of my maps off. Read what I posted. I'm only posting all this because I feel betrayed for a very very close friend of mine who did the mapping work on his car.

-Dave has got equipment to read/program ECUs now, whether legal or not is none of my business, but I have definitive proof and evidence of him having that and asking questions on 2 different forums about how to map his car himself. Not very smart of him to claim the contrary.

-I also know from 2 different people that it has never been Dave's intention to get me to map my car. He had been talking to other tuners behind my back for months before the car was finished, even though he did send me a few emails asking really nicely to have a "run in base map" so he could run the engine in on the big injectors and turbos. There is no argument about this, it's just a FACT, and if you believe Dave who says "no I never meant not to get Mihnea to map my car", then be my guest. I for one believe my own friends who have nothing to hide from me, not Dave.

-I think you need to calm down when it comes to sollicitors, I never mentioned Dave had ripped any of my maps off.

Moh, are you Dave's sollicitor? Why are you defending him? You always post as if what you said was the absolute truth. I feel offended by Dave's behaviour versus me and Doug and it is my right to say so. When I ran into Dave's posts on the other forums yesterday, asking for tricks and tips about how to map his car, it's just become an evidence that his plan is just to become a tuner himself, as he has already been in Germany, when he used to still live there.

No further comments on this please, over and out for me. Dave has the right to be unsatisfied with whatever he thinks wasn't right on our behalf towards him as a customer, I have the right to defend myself and post the truth when he claims I am a liar. Furthermore, I owe Dave ABSOLUTELY no apology whatsoever, simply because he isn't the one offended and he doesn't deserve an apology for anything.


Mihnea

[saf]

Moh, why don't you stay out of this? Have you seen anything here posted about you by any chance?

Ill answer those questions as you took the time to post it. Just as you are concerned for your friend, I am concerned for the integrity of mine. It’s only fair that I defend Dave when there is no evidence that he has read / copied / stolen code. It’s an assumption at best. You said previously in this thread that it’s not your business what Dave has bought, but then directly commented to show that it is your business.

-Dave has got equipment to read/program ECUs now, whether legal or not is none of my business, but I have definitive proof and evidence of him having that and asking questions on 2 different forums about how to map his car himself. Not very smart of him to claim the contrary.

Well having the equipment which you’re right is none of your business or mine or anyone else’s for that matter, shouldn’t matter to you. It doesn’t mean just because he has this equipment, that he is going to set out and start stealing copying or reading code. FYI, Dave bought the kit and it didn’t work, so was promptly sent back. As Dave said, he is looking to develop his own software because he doesn’t trust anybody in this country.

-I never mentioned he ripped any of my maps off. Read what I posted. I'm only posting all this because I feel betrayed for a very very close friend of mine who did the mapping work on his car.

Your previous quote is very contradictory. As in your previous post you stated the following:

Beware people, mr dodgydave has gotten his hands on a few tunes for B5 RS4s and is going to attempt making his own tuning based on those tunes. The only problem is that he has never received the original tuner's authorization to read/copy those files, and that is called intellectual property theft!!!

AND

Also, a free world does not mean paying for a remap entitles you to reading a file and making your own based on that. The remap you got from my friend is his own intellectual property, and you reading it (which I know you did) means intellectual property THEFT.

Not quite clear if the "ffew tunes" meant your friends map or yours as well.

Clear accusation of him ripping off software , theft, whatever you wish to call it. You also bringing up things that have absolutely nothing to do with this saying how Dave said “I don’t plan on becoming a tuner”. Mihnea, whether Dave bought the equipment off eBay to become a tuner or whether he bought it to tune his own car is his business. Not mine, yours or anyone else’s.

Why are you so concerned about all of this? That’s what I don’t understand!

It’s a fair point you have about the ABS. I don’t know what went on there so I cant comment. Nothing to do with me on this one. I don’t know the facts. I apologise if it came across wrong. All I know is Dave was unhappy with the service and he went elsewhere.

I did think it was unfair for you to say the following however:

Second, he never mentioned anything about the ABS not working on his car until he managed to crash his car, driving it like he stole it while he was still running the engine in.

How do you know he was driving the car like he stole it? Were you there? Did you have surveillance on him by any chance?

You also didn’t see with your own eyes him copying the software or reading it or whatever you think he’s done. You said above (which I know you did) referring to him reading the software. If you know then please list your sources as if they are honest they wouldn’t mind you naming them. Whatever evidence you think you have I’m sure is welcome by Dave.

I then come to see quotes like this. Why are you trying to portray Dave as Dodgy using his name in an uncalled for way.. What are you so scared of?

It could be and I apologize for making all this public, but I guess I got rather seriously upset by a few things discovered in the last few weeks about mr dodgy dave.

There was no need to make any of this public in the first place.

Moh, are you Dave's solicitor? Why are you defending him? You always post as if what you said was the absolute truth. I feel offended by Dave's behaviour versus me and Doug and it is my right to say so. When I ran into Dave's posts on the other forums yesterday, asking for tricks and tips about how to map his car, it's just become an evidence that his plan is just to become a tuner himself, as he has already been in Germany, when he used to still live there.

In response to the above, I’m not Dave’s solicitor. Just his friend. You have accused him of two things that you have no knowledge of. The way you’re writing it feels as if you’ve had Dave under Surveillance for some reason. ( I thought my mother was bad). I’m only annoyed about the fact that you decided to air out two accusations on the forum with no evidence. With no HARD evidence, its just an assumption. If you say you have proof and cant back it up that speaks for itself.

I don’t have anything against you or Doug or MRC. You’ve done great work for me in the past, and I’m sure ill still be coming to you for bits and bobs in the future. But It is unfair to assume things and make Dave look bad. Maybe its all a misunderstanding, maybe Dave has done something wrong in all of this. I don’t know. But what I do know is what you accused him of is not true and you didn’t see any of this with you r own eyes to say it had happened, neither had anyone of your sources.

I would say Dave does deserve an apology for the accusations of you saying that he drove his car like he stole it, because you have no evidence of that, and also that the fact you said he stole your friends software. You have no evidence of that either. Because it didn’t happen.

I owe you an apology because I thought you implied that Dave ripped off your maps. I’m truly sorry for that and it was my fault for not reading properly. Althought I wa sled to believe that you sai dDave has a few RS4 B5 maps, so I asumed that you meant your friends and yours.

You always post as if what you said was the absolute truth.

I would like to know what you meant by that. I do hope you’re not accusing me of being a liar now. We can take this on PM from here if you wish.

I think things are just best left as is. youre welcome to reply to me in PM and give me your side if you wish or care for me to know. If you dont and wish me to stay out of it then fine. I just wanted to say what I had to say about the two accusations you made of him.

Kind regards

[johneroberts]

I think its fair to say that the "Tuning" industry is rife with people copying each others code or trying to infiltrate it. Its actually where most Tuners start, its difficult to police and very expensive to take to court. I suggest that both parties take the arguement elsewhere.
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