I was going to say what a load of cobblers !dougle_turbo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:24 amJust noticed this comment. More misinformation. There are many manufacturers who fit fixed buckets into their cars and don't have roll cages.Ben_r1 wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:10 amLucky man you should never run fixed buckets and harnesses without a cage, if the roof were to collapse you lose the ability of being pushed down and backwards.
Fortunately the Mk2 clios I’ve seen roll over the years all seem to maintain shape very well. I did exactly the same thing in a 172 ph1 a few years back but managed to straighten her up and go in the gravel front ways.
If you had a rear ARB fitted and it was stripped out and damp it’s a recipe for disaster, always disconnect the links and cable tie it up in wet conditions!
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To be fair, I think part of it is also how the harness’s stop you from getting out the way in a roll over, do any of the oem bucket seat installs use harness’s too? As I know most Audi ones are still used with a standard seat belt, like the Quattro sport and a lot of the rs cars for example.
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Yea hence giving the link for the MSA guidlines, there must be a reason why they require a specific angle though?dougle_turbo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:17 amThanks for the literature, I was all ready aware of the guide lines. Although it may not look like it, the harnesses were at 45 in the car. There is a huge amount of misinformation surrounding harness locations, angles and supposed spine crushing.Banana man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:44 amThat’s the one, here’s the actual MSA literature, upto 45* is classed as acceptable 10* is the preferred angle.
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The safest place to be in an accident, roll over or not, is firmly belted into your seat. There's no 'getting out of the way' in an impact scenario, and cars are not designed to 'push' you out of the way if the roof is crushed. Just think how weak the seats would need to be to allow this to happen. Its all part of the misinformation thats thrown around. Most injury is caused by bits of the body hitting various surfaces within the car, so restricting the movement of your body is key. 3 point belts offer the least amount of protection when compared to any harness. You would be amazed how many people get thrown out of the car in big accidents, even if they are wearing standard seat belts.Banana man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:29 amTo be fair, I think part of it is also how the harness’s stop you from getting out the way in a roll over, do any of the oem bucket seat installs use harness’s too? As I know most Audi ones are still used with a standard seat belt, like the Quattro sport and a lot of the rs cars for example.
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