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Dose any one now the time shown by RS4, M3 CSL and other similar cars on the famous Nordschleife in Germany. I am asking because Subaru impreza WRX STI Spec C shoed 7.59 , very fast i think, so if some one have time records please post

Try a search...this has been posted many times.

CSL (cup tyres) - 7.50
Standard RS4 - 8.20 or so I think...

Just found this for your interest.. Looks realistic...

http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e63/6776290-1.html

M6 was clocked at regular 8 mins lap times. This puts into some good company and beats some super cars. See below.


LAPTIMES - Nordschleife (20.832km)


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BMW M3 GTR Schnitzer (11/2002) 7:12.25
Radical SR3 Turbo ( 7/2003) 7.19 (7:26 road tyres link???)
Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murciélago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 (???) 7:52 (Unofficial)
Lamborghini Gallardo (12/2003) 7:52
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 6/2003) 7:54
Ferrari Challenge Stradale ( 2/2004) 7:56
Porsche 911 Turbo ( 6/2000) 7:56
Lotec-Porsche 911 Turbo ( 5/1998) 7:57
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 (???) 7:59 (Unofficial)
Subaru Impreza WRX STi SPEC C (??/2004) 7:59
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 8/1999) 8:03
Lamborghini Diablo GT ( 7/2000) 8:04
Ferrari 575M Maranello (12/2002) 8:05
Ferrari 550 Maranello ( 6/1998) 8:07
Honda NSX-R ( 8/2002) 8:09 (7:56 claimed, link???)
Lamborghini Diablo SV ( 12/1997) 8:09
Ferrari F360 Modena ( 10/1999) 8:09
Donkervoort D8 180R ( 3/2001) 8:10
Chrysler Viper GTS ( 10/1997) 8:10
Mercedes SL55 AMG ( 5/2002) 8:12
Dodge Viper SRT-10 (10/2004) 8:13
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ( 5/1999) 8:13
AC-Schnitzer-BMW CLS III ( 11/1997) 8:16
Porsche 911 Carrera (10/2001) 8:17
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish ( 1/2003) 8:17
Porsche 911 Carrera ( 1/1998) 8:17
Chevrolet Corvette Com. Edition ( 9/2003) 8:18
Ferrari F355 ( 6/1997) 8:18
BMW Z8 ( 8/2000) 8:18
Audi RS6 ( 9/2002) 8:20
Mercedes C55 AMG ( 7/2004) 8:22
BMW M3 ( 12/2000) 8:22
BMW M Coupe ( 10/1998) 8:22
Aston Martin DB7 GT ( 7/2003) 8:23
Porsche Carrera 4 ( 2/2001) 8:23
Subaru Impreza WRX STi ( 5/2004) 8:24
Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO VII (11/2002) 8:25
Callaway C12 Coupe ( 4/1999) 8:25
Audi RS4 ( 10/2000) 8:25
Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO VI ( 11/1999) 8:25
Nissan 350Z (10/2003) 8:26
BMW M5 ( 3/1999) 8:28
Mercedes CLK 55 AMG ( 5/2000) 8:29
Audi S4 Avant (11/2003) 8:29
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002) 8:30
Lotus Exige ( 8/2004) 8:32
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG ( 5/2003) 8:32
BMW M Roadster ( 9/1997) 8:32
Porsche Boxster S ( 12/1999) 8:32
Opel Speedster Turbo ( 4/2004) 8:34
BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i ( 4/2001) 8:34
Brabus-Mercedes C V8 Coupé ( 2/2002) 8:35
Porsche Boxster ( 3/2003) 8:36
BMW M3 SMG ( 3/1997) 8:35
BMW Alpina B3 3.3 ( 7/1999) 8:36
VW Golf R32 ( 2/2003) 8:37
Mercedes C32 AMG ( 9/2001) 8:37
Maserati 3200 GT ( 9/2000) 8:37
Subaru Impreza GT Turbo ( 3/2000) 8:37
Honda NSX ( 8/1997) 8:38
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 ( 12/1998) 8:38
Mercedes SL500 (12/2001) 8:38
Morgan Aero 8 ( 4/2003) 8:39
Honda S2000 ( 1/2000) 8:39
Chevrolet Corvette ( 7/1997) 8:40
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage ( 9/1999) 8:41
Audi S3 ( 6/1999) 8:41
Audi S4 ( 8/1998) 8:42
Lotus Exige ( 11/2000) 8:42
Honda Civic Type-R (11/2001) 8:47
Renaul Clio Sport V6 ( 7/2001) 8:49
Jaguar XKR Coupe ( 7/1998) 8:49
Audi TT 1.8T quattro ( 11/1998) 8:49
Alpina B10 3.2 ( 4/1998) 8:50
Alfa Romeo 156 GTA ( 6/2002) 8:51
Mercedes Benz C43 AMG ( 3/1998) 8:51
Mercedes CLK 430 ( 9/1998) 8:52
VW Golf GTI ( 1/2002) 8:54
Porsche Boxster ( 4/1997) 8:54
Mini Cooper S Works ( 9/2004) 8:55
AMG-Mercedes SLK-230 Kompressor ( 5/1997) 9:07
VW Golf V6 4motion ( 4/2000) 9:09

REMEMBER: Times are usually stock model from standing start & road tyres used.

don wrote:Just found this for your interest.. Looks realistic...

http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e63/6776290-1.html

M6 was clocked at regular 8 mins lap times. This puts into some good company and beats some super cars. See below.
REMEMBER: Times are usually stock model from standing start & road tyres used.

Thanks,

BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50 BMW M3 ( 12/2000) 8:22 why is the difference so big, tires i think?
Audi RS4 ( 10/2000) 8:25 i thought it would be faster, strange

The CSL is not just a slightly better M3...it's a much different car (although the cups do make a big difference)...probably about 10-15 seconds or so on the 'Ring from what I've read...

Taymir wrote:Dose any one now the time shown by RS4, M3 CSL and other similar cars

How can you possibly compare a stripped-out lightweight 2 door saloon that doesn't even have a radio and designed for 'racing' with a 1 and three quarter ton family estate car that most definately is not?

I don't get it....

bobjebb wrote:

Taymir wrote:Dose any one now the time shown by RS4, M3 CSL and other similar cars

How can you possibly compare a stripped-out lightweight 2 door saloon that doesn't even have a radio and designed for 'racing' with a 1 and three quarter ton family estate car that most definately is not?

I don't get it....

I was going to buy CSL for this summer but decided that it is not suitable for every day car. The difference in weight is 110 kg not very much IMHO, i agree that this is two different cars but was surprised buy the time difference, the biggest surprise is that RS4 is slower than standard M3.

CSL is 1300 ish kilos....I think the RS4 is 1700 ish...

CSL is 1300 ish kilos....I think the RS4 is 1700 ish...

But the CSL still has parking sensors.... WTF!?!?!?!?

Hehe....yep...optionally! - It's almost like they designed it to be potentially driven hard by the husband, and then the wife can put it in full auto mode, sport mode off and tootle to the shops...

DaveP wrote:CSL is 1300 ish kilos....I think the RS4 is 1700 ish...

M3 is 1,570 kg M3 CSL is 1,460 kg, -110 kg. Difference in time 32 sec.
RS4 weights 1620 kg and has stock 380 hp and 440 Hm, IMHO 8:25 is to slow.

Hahahaha....I'd like to see you try and get round there in 8.25.

DaveP wrote:Hahahaha....I'd like to see you try and get round there in 8.25.

He He, probably not Pity that RS4 goes 8:25

I think you're confused what the RS4 is all about...it's a perfect all rounder, the fact that it can get round the Nordschleife in 8.25 is pretty amazing when you consider it's also perfectly capable of carrying 4 people and luggage on a trip around Europe.

...If you want it to go better around a track, a few simple mods sort most of that - I'd think close to 8 minutes was possible with stage1/suspension/brakes.

This is also taking different driver abilities into account. The only true way is for the same dirver to go out in the same weather conditions with a similiar fuel load ie. full tank.