MTM / QST Upgrade

[Bahnstormer]

Nah I was talking about the loaner! even in slow mode my Rs4 is a monster in comparison!

[derdle]

my girlfriend couldn't tell the difference between that & my RS4

Hence my reply!

[Harper--D]

Personally, i wouldn't have a mtm map on a car of mine. Not wanting to offend anyone here who does, but i have heard and seen alot of cars don't have a sutible map(doesnt run as good as it could) or an unsafe map(running too much boost- damaged turbos!!). Just my 2p.

[neckarsulm]

Personally, i wouldn't have a mtm map on a car of mine. Not wanting to offend anyone here who does, but i have heard and seen alot of cars don't have a sutible map(doesnt run as good as it could) or an unsafe map(running too much boost- damaged turbos!!). Just my 2p.

Do tell how you can tell it's not another issue that caused this failure and it has to be due to the remap? If your diverter valves are shagged then your MRC remapped car will soon need some new turbos too.

[Harper--D]

Very true. Lol. All i'm saying is mtm have been known to run too much boost for the turbos on the car(weather it be k03's or k04's) And the lifespan is heavily reduced or somethings else break!
Bloody hell thats 4p now!!!

[cossymad]

What sort of boost do they run? I am sure mine is around 20psi, but on full boost I have been to afraid to look at the boost gauge and more intersted in headbutting the horizon.

[Harper--D]

s4 or rs4?

[cossymad]

RS4

[JDB]

When i want to see QST, Kim commented on the fact that my car MRC custom remap was not running much boost, personally i think it is better to be safe than sorry though

[Harper--D]

When i want to see QST, Kim commented on the fact that my car MRC custom remap was not running much boost, personally i think it is better to be safe than sorry though

Exactly!! MRC run lower boost and still manage to reach amazing power, without damaging anything!!

[grizz]

Harper -d ,
I think that MTM will have remapped 1000's more cars than mrc , so you will get more cars with some sort of fault . But why do you always have to slate them (mtm). Mtm have been around for a long time & have done some ground breaking work .
A map is only as good as the car that it's on , if after 10,000 or 20,000 miles a one way valve fails or a dv goes pop that then leads to a boost leak and the turbos to fail how can it be down to a bad remap ?????
You pay your money and make a choice , how much have you spent with other tuners ?? Have you had any bad experiences with said tuners ??
Just my 2p .

[neckarsulm]

But why do you always have to slate them (mtm).

It's pretty obvious where Harper-D is getting his MTM bashing statistics and I have heard it before from the same source who's also had some major failures on impeccably maintained cars they have done a lot of work on too - I don't think it's necessarily a reflection on their workmanship, cars go wrong, it happens but pot-kettle-black springs to mind.

As for MTM running high boost, surely there must be a downside to the alternative of running more ignition timing too such as detonation which will kill your internals rather than just a take out a bolt on turbo?

Either way the parameters exceed the standard 'safe' limits defined by the manufacturer and both produce approximately the same power hike.

All i'm saying is mtm have been known to run too much boost for the turbos on the car(weather it be k03's or k04's) And the lifespan is heavily reduced or somethings else break!

I'm surprised Kim (who pays to advertise here) hasn't contacted the moderators to get posts like these deleted because they must be verging on defamatory which I'd assume is against the T&C of this forum, it's one thing being told it by the person who remapped your car, it's another posting it here.

To make up for it here's a link http://www.qstuning.co.uk/ (no relation honest!) and remember "MTM is to Audi, what AMG is to Merc and Alpina is to BMW" - I don't think that would be the case if they didn't know what they were doing, do you?

[GrahamS4]

We did well to get onto page two before the word of mouth "experience" crept in though.

[cossymad]

Tuner Wars...got to love it.
I own 2 Escort Cosworths and I am fully aware of the set ways of how to tune these cars, as opposed to Audi's, however there are Ford Tuner wars, EA, MSD, Reyland, SCS, MAD etc etc the list is endless. Now between these companies ther are many many high spec cars producing 3-4 times more power than standard cars (in RS4 terms 1200bhp) and thay all undertake different methods of producing the power. Some go from 2.0L to 2.3L some use massive cams, some use Gigantic turbo's, some use high compression, some use low, some use 4 injectors, some use 8 etc etc You get the picture.
Now there seems to be no right or wrong way to tune anything, as alot of time the end results are vitually the same. Some cars are better 0-60, some better 1/4mile, some better everyday use, some better topspeed, but all these tuners including QST & MRC probably don't particularly give a cak about what people write on these forums, unless blatently untrue, and I guess some of the get embarassed of the 'wars' they create.
In my experience the option is simple. Go with who you think you want to use, not what others say. Try and visit both/all the tuners you are considering, and chat to them in person. Try to see what they produce, ask lots of questions, and if you have any issues with what others might say, ask as well. After all it would be your money you will be parting with.
Another interesting fact is that when cars are new, and there is not so much available on the market, you will find that in order to get the power of no other, you need to become a Guinea Pig almost, as the Tuner pioneers ahead with your car etc you may have to experience component failings in order to get to where you need to be. With the value of hindsight, the next customer, and the next etc will not have to suffer these problems, as they would have then been dealt with. Also one tuner may say hit the 500bhp first and it cost £10000, a year later another tuner hits 500bhp for £7500, as things are cheaper, proven and more technically advanced.
I think that makes sense !!!

[GrahamS4]

I think that makes a lot of sense.