DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
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Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
aRSe.... The garage called me today and told me that they didn't think things were going to work with the DIY route.
I left a Dremel with them, long flexi arm attachment and a number of made-up heavy duty cutting discs, as my plan was to gently cut twice (180 degrees) into the steel connector end on the rad hose, down to just where you could start to see you were coming down to alu thread, then crack/spread with a big flathead screwdriver to leave the alu thread in pretty well mint condition. I have done that before a good few times and it works brilliantly most of the time. It sounds like they tried the normal way with tools and brute force and say it isn't budging, but seem loathed to try my way.
They then informed me that the other pipe that goes over the top and to the other side is shot too and where it loops back in on the OS, is rubbing against the Wagner shroud. I can't blame the garage for not wanting to properly have a go at this, they are good guys overall and I have used them for years.
The fact is that I simply have no time to do any of this myself, can't take even a single half a day of work, nada, so I feel they have to just go the ridiculously expensive route with OE replacement....
TL;DR, does anybody have easy access to all of the VAG part numbers in order to by the replacement oil cooler and supporting pipework etc? Thanks.
As much as I love the old girl, I am starting to contemplate doing a "We buy any car", as I reckon sod's law, this will be the first of a number of big expenses on her, she has been far too good over the years and nothing big has gone yet!
Looks like I will have a complete DIY kit ready to go for anyone that wants to buy it....
Thanks.
I left a Dremel with them, long flexi arm attachment and a number of made-up heavy duty cutting discs, as my plan was to gently cut twice (180 degrees) into the steel connector end on the rad hose, down to just where you could start to see you were coming down to alu thread, then crack/spread with a big flathead screwdriver to leave the alu thread in pretty well mint condition. I have done that before a good few times and it works brilliantly most of the time. It sounds like they tried the normal way with tools and brute force and say it isn't budging, but seem loathed to try my way.
They then informed me that the other pipe that goes over the top and to the other side is shot too and where it loops back in on the OS, is rubbing against the Wagner shroud. I can't blame the garage for not wanting to properly have a go at this, they are good guys overall and I have used them for years.
The fact is that I simply have no time to do any of this myself, can't take even a single half a day of work, nada, so I feel they have to just go the ridiculously expensive route with OE replacement....
TL;DR, does anybody have easy access to all of the VAG part numbers in order to by the replacement oil cooler and supporting pipework etc? Thanks.
As much as I love the old girl, I am starting to contemplate doing a "We buy any car", as I reckon sod's law, this will be the first of a number of big expenses on her, she has been far too good over the years and nothing big has gone yet!
Looks like I will have a complete DIY kit ready to go for anyone that wants to buy it....
Thanks.
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
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Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Looks like this is what I need? Details given from the garage
Pipe number 3 (long pipe) 4B3 317 816C £243.96
Pipe number 4(short pipe) 4B3 317 815B £238.94
Cooler 078 117 021D
Going to go hunting and also see what TPS Tonbridge can do for me, assume they will still deal with me. /EDIT, Nope, TPS Tonbridge can't sell to the public anymore.
Pipe number 3 (long pipe) 4B3 317 816C £243.96
Pipe number 4(short pipe) 4B3 317 815B £238.94
Cooler 078 117 021D
Going to go hunting and also see what TPS Tonbridge can do for me, assume they will still deal with me. /EDIT, Nope, TPS Tonbridge can't sell to the public anymore.
Last edited by Mr Footlong on Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Why don't you get them to bypass the cooler with standard hoses and fittings until you can sort it yourself. You can dremel it when you get a spare few hours in the comfort of your own home that way and fit it back in when convenient. It's winter now, and less need for cooling.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
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Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Part numbers are here:
https://audi.7zap.com/en/rdw/audi+rs6+r ... 17-317079/
Check your VIN range, there are a couple of variants.
This is the other variant:
https://audi.7zap.com/en/rdw/audi+rs6+r ... 17-317078/
https://audi.7zap.com/en/rdw/audi+rs6+r ... 17-317079/
Check your VIN range, there are a couple of variants.
This is the other variant:
https://audi.7zap.com/en/rdw/audi+rs6+r ... 17-317078/
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
You could try Classik's vag discharge fella for prices.Classik wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:05 amFor best OEM prices, I'd ask Geoffrey at CONTACT@VAGDISCOUNT.COM.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
This seems "good value" but I don't sprechen Deutsch.
https://www.rscarparts.de/oelkuehler-rs ... rholt.html
https://www.rscarparts.de/oelkuehler-rs ... rholt.html
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
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Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Thanks for all the help guys. After TPS telling me no dealing anymore and me just not having the time to do this myself, I am just going to bend over and let the garage have at it for £1750 (for a fcuking, fcuking, fcuking radiator and some hoses fitted!).
Shopp, the OCD in me doesn't like seeing rads that have been supposedly overhauled, at 70% or so of the cost of new, with thick paint over the heat exchanger fins and they didn't even bother straightening bent fins, has me twitching. There are one or two on eBay that are going for £500+ and look really pants.
Thanks again though everyone and once I have her back and the repair kit that I bought, I might just take a pic and slap it up here in case someone wants it.
Shopp, the OCD in me doesn't like seeing rads that have been supposedly overhauled, at 70% or so of the cost of new, with thick paint over the heat exchanger fins and they didn't even bother straightening bent fins, has me twitching. There are one or two on eBay that are going for £500+ and look really pants.
Thanks again though everyone and once I have her back and the repair kit that I bought, I might just take a pic and slap it up here in case someone wants it.
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Yeah, it's crap. Frustrating that they didn't want to try the dremel surgery.
Better see what condition mine is in.
Better see what condition mine is in.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Can't your garage get trade discounts at TPS?
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
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Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
They only use TPS and normally don't rip me off at all to my knowledge, but I will see if they are prepared to tell me what markup they are making on the rad.
There are currently three of each of those parts above available in the country I am told.
I'll get them to keep the old oil cooler and if it is usable, I will Dremel her and keep spare to sell on to anyone if needed.
There are currently three of each of those parts above available in the country I am told.
I'll get them to keep the old oil cooler and if it is usable, I will Dremel her and keep spare to sell on to anyone if needed.
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
You can buy the rads online for about £970. Not sure about the hoses.
/edit: hoses same price as the ones you posted.
/edit: hoses same price as the ones you posted.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
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Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Yeah, I don't think the guys are having me over a barrel tbh. I have given them the go ahead to replace the lot. It was actually only three sets of hoses available in the country, the rad is on 21 day backorder.
Have asked them to do a Gearbox service at the same time since I am already being gaped with a couple of big, hairy fists.
Have asked them to do a Gearbox service at the same time since I am already being gaped with a couple of big, hairy fists.
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
Make sure they save the old bits please - the cooler, that is. Not fussed about the hoses
If nothing else, we could do an RS246 refurb kit on any old ones with a pre-modded cooler and premade hoses for the next person....on an exchange basis or sommat. I dunno.
If nothing else, we could do an RS246 refurb kit on any old ones with a pre-modded cooler and premade hoses for the next person....on an exchange basis or sommat. I dunno.
"not a professional engineer, mechanic and mechanist"
Re: DIY - How to save your oil cooler
They speak good English, and the good thing with this particular one (that I've been lurking too for the same reasons=leak on the 'other'side) is that it has been 'upgraded' with better threads.Shoppinit wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:38 pmThis seems "good value" but I don't sprechen Deutsch.
https://www.rscarparts.de/oelkuehler-rs ... rholt.html
RS6 C5 Avant 2003 Daytona Grey
Loba 650 turbos - Wagner IC - 200 cells cats - Milltek cat-back - Hotchkis bars - Bilstein B16 - MTM Wheels - oem coolant cap
Loba 650 turbos - Wagner IC - 200 cells cats - Milltek cat-back - Hotchkis bars - Bilstein B16 - MTM Wheels - oem coolant cap