Best exhaust system for an RS4?

[neilparf]

You still have to fit the JHM after that too and the JHM is non-valved so a cost there vs JCWF...

You mean plugging the vacuum lines? It's about 50 pence in vac plugs. Two of them.
No I don't. It was for comparison purposes, from a cost perspective - that's the thread debate... What's plugging lines got to do with a fitting cost of the shipped system? Re-read the thread...

You were talking about the cost of the JHM exhaust.

You said you have to fit the JHM (which you have to do with every single exhaust out there so I'm not sure why you are adding this cost)

Then you said that JHM is non-valved so "a cost there vs JCWF". What cost? Are you saying that it's better to have the valves? I like the valves but to be honest, my JHM exhaust is very civil when just cruising about. I have thought a couple of times about what it would take to fit valves but the cost is likely prohibitive for something I really don't care about.

If the exhaust was a bit too raspy and awful sounding, I can see why people would want valves. Fortunately with the resonators and the high quality mufflers, it sounds clean and excellent.

The discussion is about a price point! I was trying to assimilate a like for like scenario. Do you understand. One with valves being JCWF and that being more than JHm as there's more material, engineering etc because of the valves!

Because the price the system was a shipped price and my JCWF system was fitted. So any US to UK system will need fitting! The cost of supply and the void between that and fitting is as yet to be determind! Tell me what I'm missing...

Valves / errrr yeah of course they are useful. Not sure what your fuzz are like, but ours like it quiet sometimes and frankly, so do I. You say your valves are are acceptable - eye of the beholder? Why not have the flexibility of valve or no valve...

Why are you taking about the virtues if valves? It has nothing to do with that. It's about a cost for a system and I simply highlighted if you compare costs, it has to be like for like.

Maybe I simply operate on a slightly elevated level...

[S4Player]

I personally would rather the jhm over jcwf based on noise and performance gains available. Then I can't complain my full Milly with decat sounded absolutely beautiful

[sakimano]

Neilparf, JHM has no valves so that's a cost now means it's not a cost...and is a negative? lol

Enjoy your 2.5 exhaust. It seemed pretty well designed. Supporting local talent /fabricators is important. You should ask them if they can make an exhaust in 2.75. I think you comparing a 2.5" system to a 2.75" system is one thing you've completely missed. The cost of going 2.75 vs 2.5 is considerably higher. It's like comparing the cost of a steak to a tesco horseburger... Material costs are miles apart. .

The reason most companies (save JHM and mtm) use 2.5 is simple... It's common as he'll and cheap. Not because it's ideal. Not because it's optimal. It's just frankly easy

Ask your jcwf fabricator to build you a 2.75 system with appropriate mufflers (not 2.5 mufflers punched out... They will hurt performance... You will need 3" mufflers stepped down) and I think you will be a little shocked at the delta. Will likely add 25% to the cost and that's if they can source everything. Need appropriate clamps and vbands and flex joints...and using high quality stainless. It really adds up. Not to mention hopefully not being poorly bent to crimp interior wall diameter. Anyway, I'd love to hear. You might understand the cost of the JHM system is actually very fair.

[Surrey Sam]

[neilparf]

Neilparf, JHM has no valves so that's a cost now means it's not a cost...and is a negative? lol

Enjoy your 2.5 exhaust. It seemed pretty well designed. Supporting local talent /fabricators is important. You should ask them if they can make an exhaust in 2.75. I think you comparing a 2.5" system to a 2.75" system is one thing you've completely missed. The cost of going 2.75 vs 2.5 is considerably higher. It's like comparing the cost of a steak to a tesco horseburger... Material costs are miles apart. .

The reason most companies (save JHM and mtm) use 2.5 is simple... It's common as he'll and cheap. Not because it's ideal. Not because it's optimal. It's just frankly easy

Ask your jcwf fabricator to build you a 2.75 system with appropriate mufflers (not 2.5 mufflers punched out... They will hurt performance... You will need 3" mufflers stepped down) and I think you will be a little shocked at the delta. Will likely add 25% to the cost and that's if they can source everything. Need appropriate clamps and vbands and flex joints...and using high quality stainless. It really adds up. Not to mention hopefully not being poorly bent to crimp interior wall diameter. Anyway, I'd love to hear. You might understand the cost of the JHM system is actually very fair.

I love my 2.5 exhaust. Why would I ask my fabricators to do anything of what you say?

Saki again your post is smacks of s**t. Have you seen the JCWF system up close and personal? Answer that with an honest 'yes' or 'no' and we'll explore this further. Sweeping statements like poorly bent to crimp interior have no foundation in what you say - you know nothing about the system...

[Surrey Sam]

Saki again your post is smacks of s**t.

Nothing new there, just add him to your Foe list and the tripe doesn't then get displayed.

Saki reckons the Capristo system which he loves to bash is 2.25" in diameter and has been spreading it far and wide around the internet. Yet I'm currently in correspondence with Capristo via their main UK agent and they were interested to see where this misinformation is coming from? As they have just informed me that the system is in fact made from 2.56" pipe?

[neilparf]

Saki again your post is smacks of s**t.

Nothing new there, just add him to your Foe list and the tripe doesn't then get displayed.

Saki reckons the Capristo system which he loves to bash is 2.25" in diameter and has been spreading it far and wide around the internet. Yet I'm currently in correspondence with Capristo via their main UK agent and they were interested to see where this misinformation is coming from? As they have just informed me that the system is in fact made from 2.56" pipe?

Foe list it is. Nice one, Sam...

[coffey555]

2.56 is still not 2.75 though!

If you add him to the foe list surely you will miss out on all the latest updates? And where is the fun in that?

Capristo were top of my list before I noticed they don't do oval tips. Great looking system though.

Resonated full JHM system for me when I make the change, hopefully not too much louder than stock with the valves bypassed.

If Danny would buy it then it must be good.

[sar]

2.56 is still not 2.75 though!

If you add him to the foe list surely you will miss out on all the latest updates? And where is the fun in that?

Capristo were top of my list before I noticed they don't do oval tips. Great looking system though.

Resonated full JHM system for me when I make the change, hopefully not too much louder than stock with the valves bypassed.

If Danny would buy it then it must be good.

careful you might get branded a fanboy , go for the JHM you wont regret it

[RIV]

careful you might get branded a fanboy , go for the JHM you wont regret it

Sakis bitch!!!

[coffey555]

2.56 is still not 2.75 though!

If you add him to the foe list surely you will miss out on all the latest updates? And where is the fun in that?

Capristo were top of my list before I noticed they don't do oval tips. Great looking system though.

Resonated full JHM system for me when I make the change, hopefully not too much louder than stock with the valves bypassed.

If Danny would buy it then it must be good.

careful you might get branded a fanboy , go for the JHM you wont regret it

The only problem for me is the JHM logo stamped on the tips! If I can't buy them without then I will just have to go the whole way and fit a sticker in the back window followed by the matching pyjama kit.

Can you get a corporate discount please Saki?

[sar]

careful you might get branded a fanboy , go for the JHM you wont regret it

Sakis bitch!!!

haha

[neilparf]

If you get matching pyjamas and a corporate discount that immediately makes your car quicker on the quarter mile...

[coffey555]

Only if you live in Canada...... and certainly not with my broken motor!

[sakimano]

Neilparf, JHM has no valves so that's a cost now means it's not a cost...and is a negative? lol

Enjoy your 2.5 exhaust. It seemed pretty well designed. Supporting local talent /fabricators is important. You should ask them if they can make an exhaust in 2.75. I think you comparing a 2.5" system to a 2.75" system is one thing you've completely missed. The cost of going 2.75 vs 2.5 is considerably higher. It's like comparing the cost of a steak to a tesco horseburger... Material costs are miles apart. .

The reason most companies (save JHM and mtm) use 2.5 is simple... It's common as he'll and cheap. Not because it's ideal. Not because it's optimal. It's just frankly easy

Ask your jcwf fabricator to build you a 2.75 system with appropriate mufflers (not 2.5 mufflers punched out... They will hurt performance... You will need 3" mufflers stepped down) and I think you will be a little shocked at the delta. Will likely add 25% to the cost and that's if they can source everything. Need appropriate clamps and vbands and flex joints...and using high quality stainless. It really adds up. Not to mention hopefully not being poorly bent to crimp interior wall diameter. Anyway, I'd love to hear. You might understand the cost of the JHM system is actually very fair.

I love my 2.5 exhaust. Why would I ask my fabricators to do anything of what you say?

Saki again your post is smacks of s**t. Have you seen the JCWF system up close and personal? Answer that with an honest 'yes' or 'no' and we'll explore this further. Sweeping statements like poorly bent to crimp interior have no foundation in what you say - you know nothing about the system...

I said you are comparing apples and oranges when comparing cost of a 2.5 vs 2.75. I suggested you ask jcwf what the cost difference to go full 2.75, mandrel bent, quality stainless, 3.0 mufflers, 2.75 flex, clamps and vbands.

I said to make sure this is a true 2.75. To have a fully tooled setup for 2.75 is expensive. Often the bends are what suffer, so that's why i said to make sure it was a quote for it done properly not crimped.

If you want to discuss facts, I'm all for it. I think you're more interested in the drama, and remaining ignorant. And slow.