Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by Stevec33 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:56 am

Great thread, certainly an interesting read. Did you notice much performance difference after doing the clean?

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by TonyHayers » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:05 pm

Stevec33 wrote:Great thread, certainly an interesting read. Did you notice much performance difference after doing the clean?
Seemed to "breathe" a bit easier and rev smoother, but was really a maintenance job and an excuse to try something that I'd not seen anyone doing on RS4s.

I think it's worth doing if you're planning mods - having the intake valves breathing nicely certainly won't do any harm. It's also a fantastic way to get to know these engines (since you have to move so much stuff to get the damn manifold off!).
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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by RIV » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:24 pm

Haha, come on Silas mate, get it together.
Cars long gone, no one wants the manifold :boohoo:

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by ferchizzle » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:42 pm

Thank you for sharing your methods w the members. It is by far the most efficient and thorough DIY carbon cleaning that I have seen.

Do you have the dimensions or a CAD file of the wooden template (that you used to fit over the cylinder heads) to share so I can make my own?

Thanks!

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TonyHayers wrote:Ok, here's some more photos as promised.

To help provide a good seal and mask off the area, I lined each port with gaffer tape...

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Then, placed the adapter "plate" over the port with vacuum pipe attached...

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Underside of adapter, showing wood insert shaped to fit port. Bit worse for wear after a pummelling from walnut and carbon...

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Top of adapter plate. The black pipe bit is a 22mm plastic plumbing pipe insert with a bit of gaffer tape to make it a tight fit with vacuum pipe...

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Blaster fits through other hole in adapter plate and is heavily countersunk so the blaster can be rotated and "wiggled"...

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Appliance hose fit nicely over the dyson handle attachment. I should mention that there is a bit of a drawback to this approach, in that it puts a lot of strain on the vacuum motor and it heats up a lot. I triggered the thermal cutout a few times which means that the vacuum was out of action for around an hour until it cooled down. To get round this, I just ran it for 30 seconds at a time, then turn off vacuum and inspect port etc. I tried with just having a smaller hose inserted a foot or so up the dyson hose, but then you don't have the suction power you need to keep up with the blaster...

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Makeshift hopper...

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In progress...

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Whilst everything was stripped, I thought I'd give the filthy valve covers a good clean...

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by TonyHayers » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:51 pm

ferchizzle wrote:Thank you for sharing your methods w the members. It is by far the most efficient and thorough DIY carbon cleaning that I have seen.

Do you have the dimensions or a CAD file of the wooden template (that you used to fit over the cylinder heads) to share so I can make my own?

Thanks!

Best,

Kane
Um, no. I drew the shape from the manifold gasket. It's really not complicated!
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DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by ferchizzle » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:10 am

Thank you!

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by Covkiller » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:37 pm

Just had a quick carbon clean at MRC whilst they changed my knock sensors. I'll be using your link to clean my valves on my own in the future.
In all approximately how long did it take you to clean you valves form start to finish?
A great posting, well done.
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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by TonyHayers » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:49 pm

Covkiller wrote:Just had a quick carbon clean at MRC whilst they changed my knock sensors. I'll be using your link to clean my valves on my own in the future.
In all approximately how long did it take you to clean you valves form start to finish?
A great posting, well done.
:thumbs:
I think I prob spent about two long days on it altogether. The actual cleaning process isn't too bad at all, in fact it's quite cathartic - it's getting the manifold off that takes ages.
06 Phantom Black Saloon:
DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
^ GONE :cry:

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by sakimano » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:50 pm

TonyHayers wrote:
Covkiller wrote:Just had a quick carbon clean at MRC whilst they changed my knock sensors. I'll be using your link to clean my valves on my own in the future.
In all approximately how long did it take you to clean you valves form start to finish?
A great posting, well done.
:thumbs:
I think I prob spent about two long days on it altogether. The actual cleaning process isn't too bad at all, in fact it's quite cathartic - it's getting the manifold off that takes ages.
+1

But the second time and thereafter it is much easier. A friend can have it off in 45 minutes. He's a mechanic himself though but he shared your sentiment.

Most guys here use oven cleaner to deal with the carbon itself. Turns it to soft sludge you can wipe off

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by adsgreen » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:47 am

Oven cleaner? Sodium hydroxide? On aluminium?!?
It's s powerful base that'll eat aluminium alive.
Not sure how it'll react with valve stem seals either.

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by Youngben » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:06 am

Cleaners have always worried me because of the stem seals and what it will to to the valve seats. You could be causing more harm than good.

This dry blasting method is by far the best idea i have seen to date for tackling the problem.
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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by dust1961 » Thu May 08, 2014 10:42 pm

I have just competed de-coke with my DIY walnut blast and vacuum. Excellent results can give advice and pictures of the setup if anyone is interested. Also did away with the inlet flaps and took the slack out of the linkage for the positioner feedback. Not recommended for a novice but anyone used to doing their own work it can be a big saving.
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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by boombastik » Fri May 09, 2014 8:03 am

Just had a read thru this thread and can safely say some excellent work & advice is found within, i'll certainly be referring to this when its time to decoke :notworthy: :thumbs:
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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by sakimano » Mon May 12, 2014 1:31 pm

Youngben wrote:Cleaners have always worried me because of the stem seals and what it will to to the valve seats. You could be causing more harm than good.

This dry blasting method is by far the best idea i have seen to date for tackling the problem.
audi used to use the media blast but stopped ABRUPTLY a few years back. Wonder why.

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Re: Carbon clean with DIY walnut shell blaster

Post by barryrs » Mon May 12, 2014 1:41 pm

I didnt think Audi did this in house so the whole head would need to be removed; therefore the cost was substantially higher.

BMW have developed a specific walnut shell blasting tool to address this on the turbo mini's and even sent out a DIY guide adapter head in the meantime for the N73 engine.
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