Carbon clean - consumables ?

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Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by Graeme4130 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:23 am

Hi
Could someone tell me which bits will generally need replacing when carbon cleaning a B7 RS4 engine please ?
I'll report back in proper details when complete, but Audi have agreed to undertake the strip down and carbon clean, but have asked for a 'contribution' towards the parts which will be replaced
I was under the impression this was going to be just the in-mani gaskets, right ?
Does anyone know the costs of the in-mani gaskets, or at worst case (incase they decide to remove the heads), the head gaskets too ? Will they have to replace anything else as good practice ?
Once they've done this in a couple of weeks, and I've had a chance to get it back up to MRC's rolling road, I'll report back in full on the effects of the various stages (wynns product inc)
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Graeme
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Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by lengster1 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 pm

Gaskets arent much at all but im overseas at the minute but maybe 50 quid or so,its all labour based tbh

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Post by mac911rs4 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:40 pm

Graeme,

If you don't mind me asking, what milage is your car on at present? what has made you / Audi take the decision to have the carbon cleaned?
I ask as i see so many threads on this, but personally would;t have a clue if and when it should be done, was it something Audi fault wise in the car?
Cheers
Mark.
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Post by PJC » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:11 pm

mac911rs4 wrote:Graeme,

If you don't mind me asking, what milage is your car on at present? what has made you / Audi take the decision to have the carbon cleaned?
I ask as i see so many threads on this, but personally would;t have a clue if and when it should be done, was it something Audi fault wise in the car?
Cheers
Mark.
Put in on a rolling road, that will tell you all you need to know.

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by adsgreen » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:20 pm

well according to my MRC invoice consumables are just two gaskets and one vacuum one way valve (as it's a pain to replace them might as well whilst you are there).

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Post by lengster1 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:30 pm

Carbon clean isnt really mileage dependant,its more the type of use and driving style,a town car with low miles is more likely to have enough to start robbing performance,the difference appears mainly in the higher revrange and a fair loss of torque throughout in my case,you will never stop build up but if you have it cleaned and drive it like you stole it whenever conditions are suitable it will be kept at an acceptable level and you will keep full power

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Post by mac911rs4 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:09 pm

Thanks Paul / Lengster,

Re the rolling road side, the car to me appears very fast, appreciate though that you guys know a damn site more then I and what the car should be capable of.
My cars just coming up to 28k, i'm 2nd owner, had it since Jan. I'd probably guess previous owner gave it some (mad if not), then onto me. as you say, drive it like you stole it as i do when possible, but if i took it to a rolling road, would i have enough to approach Audi re loss of performance, as Graeme did (although his circumstances may differ), car is currently under 3 year warranty with them.
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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by PJC » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:24 pm

Mine felt quick to me too, one owner only 16K miles whats not to like?, still only done 28k now, it does fell much quicker now, not sure how much of that is the clean or the 100 cell cats and remap, for £500 it was well worth it just for the peace of mind.

Not sure how much down on power you need to be before you get it cleaned by Audi foc though as mine was under warranty and they weren't really interested.

Mine was 375 - 380bhp from memory, torque was ok though.

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Post by Graeme4130 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:43 pm

mac911rs4 wrote:Graeme,

If you don't mind me asking, what milage is your car on at present? what has made you / Audi take the decision to have the carbon cleaned?
I ask as i see so many threads on this, but personally would;t have a clue if and when it should be done, was it something Audi fault wise in the car?
Cheers
Mark.
Hi mark
Sorry I missed the mileage in my Dm
It's currently on 56k
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Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)

Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat ;)

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by PJC » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:02 pm

Why have Audi agreed to the decoke?

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by guffy » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:14 pm

PaulRS4 wrote:Why have Audi agreed to the decoke?
This^

Don't recall this happening before?

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by mac911rs4 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:37 pm

yep, like the thought process PaulRS4, suppose as i'm a newbie to the RS, i'll make the trek to have the car health checked on the rolling road, at least then i can learn more about the car,

thanks again Paul and Graeme
m
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911C2S, BMW735D, Audi A2, Cayenne S, 911 turbo, 911s, Range Rover, audi 2.6se, BMW X5, BMW M3, Ferrari Mondial, BMW 318ti, Shogun, Fiat Uno, 5 turbo, clio williams, 911 c4 cab, 911s, sapphire cosworth, Cooper S, Audi A4 Cab, BMW 735, BMW 740, BMW 535, Golf GTi 16V, mini metro

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by Graeme4130 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:41 pm

I took mine to MRC initally, who were very helpful and gave me all the information I needed
I'll certainly be back up to see them for another rolling road session after the cleaning's been done to see just how much difference it's made
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Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)

Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat ;)

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by Graeme4130 » Tue May 01, 2012 11:11 pm

adsgreen wrote:well according to my MRC invoice consumables are just two gaskets and one vacuum one way valve (as it's a pain to replace them might as well whilst you are there).
Is anyone able to tell me a rough cost of the Gaskets and/or the one way valve please ?
The reason I ask is that I'd like to get audi to agree the consumable cost before they start
Cheers
Graeme
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Gone - 11/06 B7 RS4 Avant - black/black (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 05/13 B8 RS4 Avant - Suzuka grey (Daily drive & kids taxi)
Gone - 01/14 B8 RS5 Coupe - Short term car
Gone - 09/14 B8 RS4 Avant - Misano Red/Ceramics (Daily drive & kids taxi)

Current - 04/18 B9 Rs4 Nardo Grey
ZX10R Race bike - 210bhp and a few skid marks on the seat ;)

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Re: Carbon clean - consumables ?

Post by adsgreen » Tue May 01, 2012 11:44 pm

Peanuts. 10quid or so for the valve. Gaskets not far off

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