Is supercharging worth it?

[bangoman]

I just came over to say that the MRC 1/4 mile time is exactly why you should care about the strip. Irrefutable proof the kit successfully gets the power from the engine into useful forward momentum.

If the quarter mile is such a terrible benchmark, why do Car & Driver put every car they test down the 1320? (in addition to 0-60 and other such data). They put the new turbo 4 banger 528i down the strip; not a performance car by any stretch but they could at least objectively say it was a hair faster than the old 6 cylinder version. In that case it's useful data as BMW proves its not ruining cars by going FI.

The same should apply here. You're just looking for a delta.

Plus for my money, here are my options:
- pay $100 for three dyno pulls where I get to watch my wheels spin and the car remain stationary.
- pay $30 + fuel, I get to drive my car to over 100mph, have fun driving my car, all legally. Plus I get to watch other fast cars and compare my car's speed to others.

To each their own, I understand it's hard to get to the strip in the UK so there is less enthusiasm for it. But don't hang your hat on the dyno, as those that did got screwed out of good money by PES/VF. You can't drive a dyno sheet.

[bam_bam]

I care and that's not quick enough so I think mrc are off again today. This time they might drive it hard

And that's the difference, it's commendable that you care, you've earned it, you've done an immense amount for B7 tuning. You've not preached, you've just gone out on a mission, shared the results and given an opinion based on 1st hand experience. You're not trying to change everyone's opinion, it's beneath you.

[S4Player]

cheers bam! thinking i'll strip it run race fuel and nitrous and try run into the 10 seconds barrier

[bam_bam]

To each their own, I understand it's hard to get to the strip in the UK so there is less enthusiasm for it. But don't hang your hat on the dyno, as those that did got screwed out of good money by PES/VF. You can't drive a dyno sheet.

Firstly - FON.

Let me get this right, you've signed up just to say we should care about 1/4 mile times and the drag strip?
Why are you people so hell bent on flogging this dead horse? 1/4s are just as subjective as dynos!!! No one cares.

...and that's the thing, at least where you've said "to each their own", you can probably leave it at that. Another prolific poster on the subject of 1/4 mile times just cannot seem to let it go.
Besides, the dyno results weren't lying, were they? Given the numbers output, the car 'should' run an equivalent 1/4 mile time. Again, not that it matters, and MRC have proven themselves trustworthy. It seems we're "lucky" that forum sponsors don't sprout false information, it tends to be bad for their business.
For the majority on here, this topic has been a lot of hot air and mostly pointless. Many having made purchases and formed opinions without these hallowed 1/4 mile times.

You're right, you can't drive a dyno sheet but then it doesn't put a lot of stress on you car. There's pros and cons everywhere and everyone is intelligent enough to figure these out for themselves, we don't need it repeated ad nauseum.
I'd love to get down to a strip; petrol fumes, beer, noise, burning rubber and clutches. Sounds sexual and reminds me of my many pilgrimages to Summernats.

Can we give this a break now. Also, let's remind ourselves how much these numbers really mean.

When purchasing your car what did you know about its power output? How was it conveyed to you? Did you ever read a 1/4 mile time before deciding on buying?

Me? I prefer 0-100-0 times but it still doesn't tell me if a car can go around corners and I take it with a pinch of seasoning.

[bam_bam]

cheers bam! thinking i'll strip it run race fuel and nitrous and try run into the 10 seconds barrier

lol. Do it you fecking metalist.

[Timster]

cheers bam! thinking i'll strip it run race fuel and nitrous and try run into the 10 seconds barrier

lol. Do it you fecking metalist.

Huh, WTF are you on about Bam, "Metalist" ?
Is this something to do with metal elements .... no thats' metallurgy .

[bam_bam]

cheers bam! thinking i'll strip it run race fuel and nitrous and try run into the 10 seconds barrier

lol. Do it you fecking metalist.

Huh, WTF are you on about Bam, "Metalist" ?
Is this something to do with metal elements .... no thats' metallurgy .

Haha. I fatfingered it. Of course I meant mentalist, though there's bound to be some metallurgy going on with Danny's proposed 10sec plan.

[bangoman]

To each their own, I understand it's hard to get to the strip in the UK so there is less enthusiasm for it. But don't hang your hat on the dyno, as those that did got screwed out of good money by PES/VF. You can't drive a dyno sheet.

Firstly - FON.

Let me get this right, you've signed up just to say we should care about 1/4 mile times and the drag strip?
Why are you people so hell bent on flogging this dead horse? 1/4s are just as subjective as dynos!!! No one cares.[/quote]

FON = freak of nature or force of nature? I sort of got lost on Tapatalk and didn't realise it was my first post here, sorry for my randomness. I joined back in October but was lurking RS246 long before that while I dreamt of getting an RS2 initially then an RS4 Avant.

...and that's the thing, at least where you've said "to each their own", you can probably leave it at that. Another prolific poster on the subject of 1/4 mile times just cannot seem to let it go.
Besides, the dyno results weren't lying, were they? Given the numbers output, the car 'should' run an equivalent 1/4 mile time. Again, not that it matters, and MRC have proven themselves trustworthy. It seems we're "lucky" that forum sponsors don't sprout false information, it tends to be bad for their business.
For the majority on here, this topic has been a lot of hot air and mostly pointless. Many having made purchases and formed opinions without these hallowed 1/4 mile times.

You're right, you can't drive a dyno sheet but then it doesn't put a lot of stress on you car. There's pros and cons everywhere and everyone is intelligent enough to figure these out for themselves, we don't need it repeated ad nauseum.
I'd love to get down to a strip; petrol fumes, beer, noise, burning rubber and clutches. Sounds sexual and reminds me of my many pilgrimages to Summernats.

Can we give this a break now. Also, let's remind ourselves how much these numbers really mean.

When purchasing your car what did you know about its power output? How was it conveyed to you? Did you ever read a 1/4 mile time before deciding on buying?

Me? I prefer 0-100-0 times but it still doesn't tell me if a car can go around corners and I take it with a pinch of seasoning.

Full disclosure: Not long after I moved to Canada, I had been in touch with sakimano via the internets after I bought my car and we met up to go drag racing and have stayed in touch and met up a couple of times since. He's a tall lanky Scot and I bet you lot would get along if this was a proper argument in the pub over a proper pint of warm ale. So maybe I'm biased towards him but I have no gain in supporting the saki truth train other than I agree with what he's saying. Especially when lining up at the dragstrip in my then bone stock B6 S4 and next to his old JHM tuned/exhuast/LWCP/LW rotors B7 S4 and helplessly watching him put bendy bus lengths over the 1/4 mile.

All I'm saying is don't hang your hat on one test. We don't in other walks of life (computer benchmarking springs to mind). The MRC dyno numbers and 1/4 mile time are matching up. I think we would all agree that the MRC/TTS kit is looking like the real deal. The dyno numbers make you happy, the 1/4 mile makes others happy.

As for buying my car, I was just trying to find a manual Audi estate in this sedan/auto dominated world and sort of stumbled upon my S4 by accident. I researched the thing on the internet and how I could make it RS4 fast (no RS4 Avant here) and fulfil my dream. The whole PES shitstorm was going on at the time. The thing dyno'd very nicely but the car didn't actually go much faster like the dyno numbers suggested. I was also looking at B5 S4's and same thing - lots of dyno chat regarding mods but only good 60-130? I never do 60-130.

So, yes, I did know the 1/4 mile time of a stock B6 S4. I don't think it stresses the car any more than a hearty launch off the line at the lights. I don't know about you but when joining an empty motorway/freeway/autoroute, there's nothing more I love to do than full throttle ripping through the gears to motorway speeds. Which is what the 2nd half of the 1/4 mile is. And if you don't drive the thing full bore once in a while then why own a V8 Audi?

TL;DR The MRC/TTS kit is looking pretty good whether you like dynos or 1/4 miles, cornering doesn't come into it because we're just talking about a power adder.

Right, I'll GTFO now as I don't even own an RS4 so shouln't even be here. I'm off to watch the rugby, come on England!
Edit: the clocks went forward here last night, so I'm an hour early. Doh!

[sakimano]

Petroldave and bambam - why are you posting about what you DONT care about so much (sc rs4 performance testing)? For a couple of 50 year olds you sure act strange.

Do some research about the various supercharger kits for the car and understand the history here, rather than doing your best to show everyone what you (don't) know.

Congrats again to mrc...and looking forward to more.

[RIV]

Get a life, its just a supercharger!!!!!

[bam_bam]

FON = freak of nature or force of nature? I sort of got lost on Tapatalk and didn't realise it was my first post here, sorry for my randomness. I joined back in October but was lurking RS246 long before that while I dreamt of getting an RS2 initially then an RS4 Avant.

Full disclosure: Not long after I moved to Canada, I had been in touch with sakimano via the internets after I bought my car and we met up to go drag racing and have stayed in touch and met up a couple of times since. He's a tall lanky Scot and I bet you lot would get along if this was a proper argument in the pub over a proper pint of warm ale. So maybe I'm biased towards him but I have no gain in supporting the saki truth train other than I agree with what he's saying. Especially when lining up at the dragstrip in my then bone stock B6 S4 and next to his old JHM tuned/exhuast/LWCP/LW rotors B7 S4 and helplessly watching him put bendy bus lengths over the 1/4 mile.

All I'm saying is don't hang your hat on one test. We don't in other walks of life (computer benchmarking springs to mind). The MRC dyno numbers and 1/4 mile time are matching up. I think we would all agree that the MRC/TTS kit is looking like the real deal. The dyno numbers make you happy, the 1/4 mile makes others happy.

As for buying my car, I was just trying to find a manual Audi estate in this sedan/auto dominated world and sort of stumbled upon my S4 by accident. I researched the thing on the internet and how I could make it RS4 fast (no RS4 Avant here) and fulfil my dream. The whole PES shitstorm was going on at the time. The thing dyno'd very nicely but the car didn't actually go much faster like the dyno numbers suggested. I was also looking at B5 S4's and same thing - lots of dyno chat regarding mods but only good 60-130? I never do 60-130.

So, yes, I did know the 1/4 mile time of a stock B6 S4. I don't think it stresses the car any more than a hearty launch off the line at the lights. I don't know about you but when joining an empty motorway/freeway/autoroute, there's nothing more I love to do than full throttle ripping through the gears to motorway speeds. Which is what the 2nd half of the 1/4 mile is. And if you don't drive the thing full bore once in a while then why own a V8 Audi?

TL;DR The MRC/TTS kit is looking pretty good whether you like dynos or 1/4 miles, cornering doesn't come into it because we're just talking about a power adder.

Right, I'll GTFO now as I don't even own an RS4 so shouln't even be here. I'm off to watch the rugby, come on England!
Edit: the clocks went forward here last night, so I'm an hour early. Doh!

Cool story bro.

FON = F*ck off n00b.

Again, you've brought nothing to the table.
- It has already been established that the TTS kit was quality.
- We all know MRC's work, it was never in question, we believed the numbers. Sakimano was the only one who thought they were unproven and needed a 1/4.
- No one was hanging their hat on one test of power, all tests are taken with large helpings of salt (including dynos) but you guys can't seem to read that.
- The PES/VF thing was big in North America, we get it. The TTS kit isn't an issue, why are dwelling so much in the past? Move on.
- You guys love the 1/4 mile, again, we get it. Move on. When it becomes important over here, we'll call you guys in.

@Sakimano - calling us old, really? That's an amazing comeback mate. We've all followed the MRC/TTS development, no one is really interested in the past or the other kits. Are you looking for vindication or something? Just go buy a TTS and shut up.
I know I will when I finish the C5.

[bangoman]

Get a life, its just a supercharger!!!!!

Tell that to the people who wasted thousands of dollars on PES/VF kits.

[bangoman]

Cool story bro.

FON = F*ck off n00b.

Again, you've brought nothing to the table.
- It has already been established that the TTS kit was quality.
- We all know MRC's work, it was never in question, we believed the numbers. Sakimano was the only one who thought they were unproven and needed a 1/4.
- No one was hanging their hat on one test of power, all tests are taken with large helpings of salt (including dynos) but you guys can't seem to read that.
- The PES/VF thing was big in North America, we get it. The TTS kit isn't an issue, why are dwelling so much in the past? Move on.
- You guys love the 1/4 mile, again, we get it. Move on. When it becomes important over here, we'll call you guys in.

@Sakimano - calling us old, really? That's an amazing comeback mate. We've all followed the MRC/TTS development, no one is really interested in the past or the other kits. Are you looking for vindication or something? Just go buy a TTS and shut up.
I know I will when I finish the C5.

Well f*ck you too and thanks for the warm welcome. As for the story, you asked what I knew about the power output of my car so I told you. Indeed, I have brought nothing to the table. Sorry for interrupting your Sunday afternoon.

[bam_bam]

Well f*ck you too and thanks for the warm welcome. As for the story, you asked what I knew about the power output of my car so I told you. Indeed, I have brought nothing to the table. Sorry for interrupting your Sunday afternoon.

You're welcome. You were wondering what FON meant, well, that's what it means. Don't think you're getting special treatment, everyone gets it upon first post. Your first post could've contained the cure for cancer, it still would've been met with a FON.
Stick around bangermam, you're alright.

[RIV]

Get a life, its just a supercharger!!!!!

Tell that to the people who wasted thousands of dollars on PES/VF kits.[/quot.