how do thieves operate?

Post by **pisquano** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:56 pm

once again, in central London a garage is something few can afford

Post by **leont** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:09 pm

pisquano wrote:my point is that because of immobilisers being so good I have two considerations
(1) what's the point of having a tracker? it seems like the only thing they can prevent is the car being loaded away
(2) this has made even less safe having a high value car, as thieves are more likely than in the past to assault you or break into your home (I guess this is particularly true for people living in isolated homes, with their shiny car in the driveway, a bit less so for people living in trafficed roads in center of town)

On point 1 they can't prevent it being towed as the scrotes won't know its got one. All a tracker is good for is recovering the car. Its the age old question whether you would want it back...

On point 2 yes its a shame the security is so good now they a resorting to violent crime. On the plus side insurance is probably cheaper because of these systems, and you're less likely to wake up in the morning and find a botched attempt to hot wire the car.

I think people do over-react on this subject though as car jacking and buglaries are relatively rare.

Post by **pisquano** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:14 pm

Post by **PetrolDave** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:29 pm

pisquano wrote:most people would NOT want it recovered, but what the tracker does (I think) is not only allow for an easier recovery but also quicker which is the whole point

That's on the assumption that the car has not been stolen by a professional car thief - because all of them know how to defeat a Tracker. Within minutes of your car being stolen it will be in a place where Tracker doesn't work, so it will then be untraceable.

Post by **fiberoptic** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:37 pm

i was always wondering in what circumstances i would have a legitimate right to kill the scum

Post by **lengster1** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:29 pm

Your joking fiberoptic i think you will find in the UK the thief will have more rights than you! For me when they break the law and enter my property to steal then they left there human rights at the door but the do gooders see different. Whats your thoughts on cctv guys? Most effective to be obvious that you have it? or discreet installation? Im in the process of hopefully buying a new phouse that requires lots of work and considering security in the equation

Post by **adsgreen** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:33 pm

If it is stolen to order then it will be relatively unscathed. Most are nicked, and driven not a long distance away (we had one case of a car almost in the next street).
Left for a couple days to see if it's got a tracker.
Then they usually send a 12 year old with the keys to get it and move it to the proper thieves den as it's deemed to be "safe".
A tracker should get you the car back in those cases but you'll have the black mark of "stolen - recovered" on the cars history.
A system that allows you to self track the car would at least allow you to go get it (assuming it was safe).

A side point, decent Trackers *will* detect the car being moved without the keys (loaded onto a low loader for example) and activate.

The best "anti nick" system is probably of the form of a blackjack/anti carjack where an rfid tag is needed otherwise the car is allowed to be driven a short distance and then when next stopped the alarm activates and engine is cut.

Post by **pisquano** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:53 pm

hjkhjk

Post by **neckarsulm** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:08 pm

I'd think twice about posting about whether you have Tracker or not in the public domain i.e here unless you are 100% sure your personal details are secure.

Post by **adsgreen** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:04 am

CCTV is always a good option - make sure it's obvious and out of reach.

Also a house alarm with an external perimeter trip is for mr the only ones to have.
I mean, why do you want to be alerted after they have got inside - I think that's too late.
You can get good systems that can tell the difference between a person and an animal that has phases - first is gods own floodlight (scum hate the light and screws their night vision)
Then have a gentle doorbell type alarm to wake you if too close (say to the door)

As for the law on intruders - its not that bad at the moment.
The two high profile cases (Tony Martin and the brothers with a cricket bat) are different.
Tony Martin took a conscious pre-event decision he was going to kill the next intruder. One was shot in the back as he was running away. This is not self defence.
The brothers one is where scum broke in, tied up the family but then he got free picked a cricket bat up and beat them up and out the door. This is fine. The problem was that he got outside, yelled for his brother and chased them down the road, captured one and beat him almost to death (now sevearly brain damaged). Again hard to argue as self defence.

At uni a friend had a burglary but slept with a baseball bat and hit the intruder and then sat on him till the police arrived. When giving his statement he said something about the bat by his bed ready for a break in and the officer interrupted and said 'sir, I think you mean the bat was downstairs when you picked it up'

The problem is I have no issue with somebody injuring or killing an intruder. But circumstances need to be taken into account. tying up a villain (even a few smacks) is one thing but then allowing torture or murder to occur just isn't right. They need to fix the system as if people think the law is working then they are less liely to take it into their own hands

Post by **fiberoptic** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:38 am

They need to fix the system as if people think the law is working then they are less liely to take it into their own hands

precisley! otherwise we can form our own secret group, i'd like to call it "The Brotherhood of RS" or something

to deal with the scum when we catch them

Post by **ShaneyB** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:06 pm

If its not on show, nobody knows its there

You really believe that?

As mentioned earlier. It's not difficult to follow you home to know where your car is.

If they want it that badly they can have it with a cherry on, without me risking any harm to my family (who make an RS4 look worthless btw). It's a car.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A GARAGE, PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT BUY A SPORTS CAR. THESE GUYS WALK THE STREETS AT NIGHT TICKING CARS OFF THE LIST.

Garage helps but it's not a fortress. If they want it, they'll know where to find it.

Post by **ShaneyB** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:08 pm

I really can't seem to take a final decision on this one....

Unlike you Fed

Post by **^Qwerty^** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:57 pm

fiberoptic wrote:i was always wondering in what circumstances i would have a legitimate right to kill the scum

When they are upstairs with your wife and/or kids, it's open season then. Anything else and your on a sticky wicket, at least in the UK anyway.

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