RS4 B7 Stated Power claim of 420ps MKII

[Sims]

Bore' off....

This is what John requested:

nice debate please
Cheers
Jr

Your post on March 8 at 20:12 was helpful for the test mentioned has so many variables.

[PetrolDave]

This whole subject now has two entrenched "camps" so debate is, IMHO, impossible - so threads on this subject are worthless

This will be my last post on this boring non-issue.

[Sims]

This whole subject now has two entrenched "camps" so debate ......

You were doing so well...

Seriously though, that you also accept there are two entrenched camps is a good sign. You mentioned DRC in another thread. There are still some people who don't believe DRC is an issue.... are you going to tell them?

[northernpar]

Jeez, not this again!

[Sims]

Jeez, not this again!

It is not mandatory for you to read this thread. All the information you wanted is on your thread.

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... torder=asc

[P_G]

This whole subject now has two entrenched "camps" so debate ......

You were doing so well...

Seriously though, that you also accept there are two entrenched camps is a good sign. You mentioned DRC in another thread. There are still some people who don't believe DRC is an issue.... are you going to tell them?

Who are you refrerring to when you say some people don't believe DRC is an issue? Let's be specific about this as for too long the 'debates' on here have been generalist and based on very little demonstrable fact.

And is it really an issue because by definition it now is not as it has a resolution, a modified part which to date has not been seen to fail during its life plus an extended warranty.

[HYFR]

surely DRC used to be an issue, now resolved via 5 year warranty and hopefully uprated parts that work...and maybe thats why some people no longer see it as an issue

i've had x3 DRC cars now, never caused me an issue...

[yorkie]

[Sims]

This whole subject now has two entrenched "camps" so debate ......

You were doing so well...

Seriously though, that you also accept there are two entrenched camps is a good sign. You mentioned DRC in another thread. There are still some people who don't believe DRC is an issue.... are you going to tell them?

Who are you refrerring to when you say some people don't believe DRC is an issue? Let's be specific about this as for too long the 'debates' on here have been generalist and based on very little demonstrable fact.

<1% of all RS4's have had their supsension (or any compnent) replaced, hardly 'mega'...you can't use internet polls, you only hear the people like you in those...

From a person whose engineering skills you value a lot - Arthur on 16/2/10 at 3:42pm, that is just one mention, there are others on that thread.

[Sims]

surely DRC used to be an issue, now resolved via 5 year warranty and hopefully uprated parts that work...and maybe thats why some people no longer see it as an issue

i've had x3 DRC cars now, never caused me an issue...

I am convinced it is not an issue because Audi are providing a warranty, and have said that. However, I saw a 1st mention here of a latest generation damper (gen 3?) failing.

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ht=#377450

[ArthurPE]

it's still true...less than 1% of the RS4's produced have had the DRC (or components) replaced...that's from Audi...

the same applied for thr RS6, but due to the low production volume, and high price of the car, they made a business (not technical) decision to replace the systems on cars that had failed...not ALL cars...in the States only a single dgit % has been replaced...that hardly indicates that 'all' cars are impacted as you stated...

just because you don't believe it doesn't negate that it's fact...

<1% of all RS4's have had their supsension (or any compnent) replaced, hardly 'mega'...you can't use internet polls, you only hear the people like you in those...

From a person whose engineering skills you value a lot - Arthur on 16/2/10 at 3:42pm, that is just one mention, there are others on that thread.

[P_G]

So let's put this into context Sims.

ArthurPE quotes a figure which he says he sourced from Audi, presumably Audi US and if it turns out to be wrong, so how is that Arthurs fault? And I say if because if the thread here on DRC replacement contrbiutors is accurate, there are 100+ people (and I can't quote the exact number because I can't be bothered to go back and look) out of the forum members who have had the work done. Statistically it still cannot be used as fact as it is not respresentative of the 3500 RS4's in the Uk especially when I believe a couple of people on the list are overseas. It could lead to a guestimate that it is more than the 1% Arthur quoted but only Audi will ever know.

Marcus RS4's DRC looks like it has failed and I genuinely feel sorry for him; however it will still be replaced FOC by the looks of things if not under extened DRC warranty then the 12 month parts warranty so still is not an issue. An inconvenience yes, but not an issue.

And from reading your posts if you are looking for general courtesy from other members and this is something I have raised with you previously please stop being so antagonistic. I'm sure you could look up the last time I raised this with you as well, albeit it was more subtle last time.

By antagonising others you bring various levels of reaction from them from retort to abuse and you should expect that from a diverse audience. You may see it as being accurate or precise in you recalling what other people have cited but it is asure fire way of winding up most.

[Sims]

So let's put this into context Sims.

ArthurPE quotes a figure which he says he sourced from Audi, presumably Audi US and it turns out to be wrong, so how is that Arthurs fault?

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Do let's put into context -
we were talking about the UK at the time, he did not say he was talking about the US or where he got his data from and yes I did ask if the US suspension was different. You have decided to side with Arthur as most of your posts show, that is not an issue for me.

[ArthurPE]

Do let's put into context -
we were talking about the UK at the time, he did not say he was talking about the US or where he got his data from and yes I did ask if the US suspension was different. You have decided to side with Arthur as most of your posts show, that is not an issue for me.

why demean him as someone who can't think for himself?
backhanded BS

perhaps, he reads, thinks, and draws his own conclusions...
perhaps, because mine contain facts, and are more logical, not tossed about for hyperbole...

you are such an insulting person...cheap shots non-stop...
don't disagree with sims, lol, because you are wrong before you do, don't waste your time...

[P_G]

So let's put this into context Sims.

ArthurPE quotes a figure which he says he sourced from Audi, presumably Audi US and it turns out to be wrong, so how is that Arthurs fault?

.

Do let's put into context -
we were talking about the UK at the time, he did not say he was talking about the US or where he got his data from and yes I did ask if the US suspension was different. You have decided to side with Arthur as most of your posts show, that is not an issue for me.

I don't remember him saying anything about solely the UK. And I didn't realise that DRC was just a UK issue so why confine it to be for the sake of your argument.

I haven't sided with anyone but given I have also just had 4 PM's from 4 different members on a similar theme, which is in my terms that some members need to wind their necks in it would appear to be a consensus; this thread is going the same way as most of the others your 'contribution' becomes pedantic to the point of nausea.