RS4 B7 Stated Power claim of 420ps

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Post by Sims » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:43 pm

Dom81 wrote:Any idea why intermittent driving and long time "not-using" are factors?

What's supposedly happening when I'm not driving it?!
Good questions, waiting for good answers. :lol:

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Post by Nib » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:10 pm

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sonny wrote:CW20/2007? Interesting.

So cars built after 2007 should see less CB in the heads?
May 2007 production onwards. 20 is the week number in 2007.
Interesting. Mine was week 27 in 2007.

Unfortunatly, I've no interest in taking it apart. It's quite quick enough as it is... :wink:

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Post by Sims » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:07 pm

[quote="sims"]I read this elsewhere, purported to be from someone at Audi. Some interesting stuff, what do you guys think?

"Carbon build-up"

What is “Carbon build-upâ€

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Post by ArthurPE » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:27 pm

'purportedly', lol, what a disclaimer...

that is not from Audi, I emailed them...
there is no difference in engine spec between early and late production cars (the rings are not in the head btw)
I can't believe Audi would think the piston rings are in the cylinder head...lol
all part numbers are identical, neither of those have anything to do with deposits anyways
the only difference is software revisions and Audi updates as they service the cars, so all should be the same...

increasing engine oil temp would increase deposits, not decrease them...more oil would become volitile...
increasing the oil temp by 20C would make it operate ~235-240F, that is too hot and would break the oil down rapidly, necessitating more changes...

the RS5 engine is IDENTICAL to the RS4, again, IDENTICAL, the only difference being the intake boxes/manifold, geometry only, everything else is the same...block, heads, etc.
look at the torque numbers, 317 each, the HP was increased by changine cam timing (through software/indexing) to shift the power up a bit to 8400 or so, and as you know HP ~ T x RPM, so increasing rpm = more HP, the intake helps it breath a bit better...the RS4 will have better drivability/elasticity/flexibility due to more torque at lower rpm's, check out the specs...

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Post by Sims » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:35 pm

ArthurPE wrote:'purportedly', lol, what a disclaimer...

that is not from Audi, I emailed them...
there is no difference in engine spec between early and late production cars (the rings are not in the head btw)
I can't believe Audi would think the piston rings are in the cylinder head...lol
all part numbers are identical, neither of those have anything to do with deposits anyways
the only difference is software revisions and Audi updates as they service the cars, so all should be the same...

increasing engine oil temp would increase deposits, not decrease them...more oil would become volitile...
increasing the oil temp by 20C would make it operate ~235-240F, that is too hot and would break the oil down rapidly, necessitating more changes...

the RS5 engine is IDENTICAL to the RS4, again, IDENTICAL, the only difference being the intake boxes/manifold, geometry only, everything else is the same...block, heads, etc.
look at the torque numbers, 317 each, the HP was increased by changine cam timing (through software/indexing) to shift the power up a bit to 8400 or so, and as you know HP ~ T x RPM, so increasing rpm = more HP, the intake helps it breath a bit better...the RS4 will have better drivability/elasticity/flexibility due to more torque at lower rpm's, check out the specs...
That's fine - you have stated your view.

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Post by ArthurPE » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:40 pm

sims wrote:
That's fine - you have stated your view.
that's correct it is MY opinion, but you have mis-stated Audi's...that is not from them...

they have not issued a warranty extension in relationship to deposits
they have not acknowledged power loss
the RS4 engine has not been mechanically revised during its production run

where is the source for that 'info' from Audi AG (quattro GmbH)?

it's not 'my view' that the PISTON rings are NOT in the CYLINDER head, lol

btw: Audi spec range is 1 liter per 1000km...it hasn't changed

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Post by Sims » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:48 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
sims wrote:
That's fine - you have stated your view.
that's correct it is MY opinion, but you have mis-stated Audi's...that is not from them...

they have not issued a warranty extension in relationship to deposits
they have not acknowledged power loss
the RS4 engine has not been mechanically revised during its production run

where is the source for that 'info' from Audi AG (quattro GmbH)?

it's not 'my view' that the PISTON rings are NOT in the CYLINDER head, lol

btw: Audi spec range is 1 liter per 1000km...it hasn't changed
Great

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Post by ArthurPE » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:00 pm

link please?

the VP of Audi NA has requested it
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Post by Dom81 » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:00 am

Fair question Sims - can you post the link to the site you copied this from?
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Post by Sims » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:54 am

ArthurPE wrote:link please?

the VP of Audi NA has requested it
I shall look into it.

You have instant access to the VP of Audi NA, and he relies on you to find out information of this nature via a Forum - what is your relationship with him? Is it commercial, directly or indirectly?

In the meantime I await an apology from you, as requested on Feb 19th, and I quote:

"With respect, your language has been awful. and unbecoming for this forum. Without any foundation and based entirely on your prejudice, you have accused me of lying. I shall await your apology. And in the meantime, I hope you will not inflict your foul language on others".

You used words like choad (readers can google it), loser, whore and accused me of lying. On a moderated forum, you would have got banned.

In a post yesterday you once again accused me of lying, and then requested information, shoot 1st, ask later. I cannot engage in conversation with you with that attitude & approach.

I require that apology and I am then happy to move on and discuss the issue at hand in a civil non-intimidating manner.
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Post by Dom81 » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:07 am

... but I've not insulted you - how about giving me the link?? :wink:
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Post by mac4RS » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:42 am

Dom81 wrote:Fair question Sims - can you post the link to the site you copied this from?
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Post by Sims » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:28 pm

Marcus-RS4 wrote:Google is your friend:

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/0?p=185787
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Post by Marcus-RS4 » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:43 pm

Looks like Andy is on the case with the questions for Qisha.

For someone like myself, not technical, I would trust Andy with his diagnosis any day over Qisha's..

Andy, (hi!) if your reading this, be good if you could comment on your thoughts on the issue here..

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