RS5!!!!

[rs4v8]

if he managed to lop 11 seconds of HvS's time of 8:09 for the RS4.

Make your mind up!!!!!

I say a fair chance, but this is now difficult territory, also politically within the VAG group. Exciting days.

Without a doubt

[ArthurPE]

who thinks a car that weighs only 1.5% more, has 60/40 wt dist., and 380 HP/<280 lb ft (as claimed) would be ~ the same speed (~1% difference) as a car that has 50/50 wt dist., 507 HP (>30% more)/383 lb ft (>35% more)?

on a power track like the 'Ring, avg speed ~95+ mph
does not compute

[rs4v8]

Yeah but the M6 is a big GT styley coupe. wallowy in the corners compared to a SS+ equipped RS4 (I've never driven a standard suspension RS4). I'd be very confident of hosing on an M6 in anything other than a straight line and even then I'd not be too far behind. I think those are the cars you are comparing isn't it? Exactly the same reason why the GTR is so fast. Proper chassis setup for track / fast road work and lot's of go.

[ArthurPE]

Yeah but the M6 is a big GT styley coupe. wallowy in the corners compared to a SS+ equipped RS4 (I've never driven a standard suspension RS4). I'd be very confident of hosing on an M6 in anything other than a straight line and even then I'd not be too far behind. I think those are the cars you are comparing isn't it? Exactly the same reason why the GTR is so fast. Proper chassis setup for track / fast road work and lot's of go.

the M6 has adjustable suspension with a 'track' setting, making it very firm...it is a heck of a machine, the only weak points imo, the rear looks like 'ass', and it's waaay too $$$$

[Sims]

Ok, Up to and including three seconds quicker is mine - any more and the quid's yours!!

RS4 was 8:09 -

Ok. I will be generous and concede up to 8:05, then how about 1 quid for each second below that.

Generous - to whom??!! 8:09 now is it??!! It might well have been the jammiest lap in the world but Stippler's 7:58 is on the board knowing my luck the RS5 flippin' will be MUCH faster!!!

Generous to you of course. The official RS4 time is 8:09, you wanted a 3 second leeway, I gave you 4. So if the RS5 is faster than 8:05, the I win the bet.

[rs4v8]

I can't explain the same time then Arthur? with more power and torque as you rightly say? Fast in a straight line not so in the bends perhaps?

No doubt it's a great machine but I'll not be swapping my RS for one any time soon
It does indeed have a face only a mother could love! I'd rather have an M5 (or an RS6 avant over both!)

[rs4v8]

Generous to you of course. The official RS4 time is 8:09, you wanted a 3 second leeway, I gave you 4. So if the RS5 is faster than 8:05, the I win the bet.

Ha ha! oh really? just that you seemed confident it'd be quicker than the 7:58 a minute ago = seems a bit more "generous" in your favour!!!

[Sims]

who thinks a car that weighs only 1.5% more, has 60/40 wt dist., and 380 HP/<280 lb ft (as claimed) would be ~ the same speed (~1% difference) as a car that has 50/50 wt dist., 507 HP (>30% more)/383 lb ft (>35% more)?

on a power track like the 'Ring, avg speed ~95+ mph
does not compute

I do, and I do know that theory also does not always relate to what happens in practice as we have established. Too many variables, but only time will tell.

[rs4v8]

Exciting times indeed. It'd be really interesting to know how quick the test car seen in various spy shots has been. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Sims]

Generous to you of course. The official RS4 time is 8:09, you wanted a 3 second leeway, I gave you 4. So if the RS5 is faster than 8:05, the I win the bet.

Ha ha! oh really? just that you seemed confident it'd be quicker than the 7:58 a minute ago = seems a bit more "generous" in your favour!!!

We have a misunderstanding. the official time has always been the 8:09.

The DTM drivers 7:58 was not an officially recognised time, and I only made reference to it illustrate what further magic he could conjure.

The RS5, in the hands of a journalist, will not be quicker than 7:58 IMO.

[Sims]

Exciting times indeed. It'd be really interesting to know how quick the test car seen in various spy shots has been. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Maybe I was there?

[rs4v8]

Ok then - you're on!
Anything quicker (on an official sport auto style test) than 8:05 the quids yours at a quid a second afterwards on the condition that anything slower than 8:09 is at a rate of a quid a second in my favour - up to a max £10 perhaps? How does that sound?

[rs4v8]

Exciting times indeed. It'd be really interesting to know how quick the test car seen in various spy shots has been. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Maybe I was there?

Maybe (hoping!) you weren't

[mark758]

We have a misunderstanding. the official time has always been the 8:09.

The DTM drivers 7:58 was not an officially recognised time, and I only made reference to it illustrate what further magic he could conjure.

Was it 'a DTM driver' or was it the official RS4 (and still) Quattro GmbH development driver
It was my understanding that the 7:58 was recorded in exactly the same way as all the other times or do you have different information?

The ONLY non-official element being that Audi didn't authenticate it in the same way that many of the recorded ring times are not officially recognised by the relevant manufacturers.

When various RS6 and BMW owners raised hostility about the figure at the time Horst von Saurma confirmed it was quite possible on the right tyres.

I was more impressed that a B7 got round the Top Gear Test track quicker than an Exige, Evora or Cayman S.

[Sims]

Ok then - you're on!
Anything quicker (on an official sport auto style test) than 8:05 the quids yours at a quid a second afterwards on the condition that anything slower than 8:09 is at a rate of a quid a second in my favour - up to a max £10 perhaps? How does that sound?

We have a bet.

I sense this baby will ruffle a few feathers at Munich.
All of them really awesome, awesome cars...