ESP ?

[Riz_RS4]

Riz, was that a '4 wheel Drift' or 'Understeer Drift' you had??

mmm well it was a wet road and i floored the pedal abit more inducing 4wd wheelspin and the car drifted outwards but was controlable....... make sence?

Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]

[Mo_S3]

I take it ur ESP was on, so how did u manage to do a 4 wheel drift for more than a second? The ESP would have compensated for detected slip and wiped that grin off ur face as quick as it came

[Dippy]

I seriously doubt that a negligence claim would successfully hang on a non-mandatory safety feature such as ESP. Dangerous or careless driving would need to be proved in addition. For a start, motor insurers quote on a vehicle inclusive of all its mechanical and electronic functions, such as ESP, and presumeably if they insure a car that has an ESP option they are including cover for both on and off scenarios provided, as I said, dangerous driving cannot be proved.

I wrote "potentially". Also you are focussing on the criminal law system not the civil one. Furthermore what relevance is insurance other than protection from a civil lawsuit? And for that matter I have no doubt that many insurance companies would try to avoid paying up because the default state of the ESP is on. Like I stated, by turning it off you are disabling a safety feature and increasing risk. Many insurers would argue that you should inform them of this.

[DuncS3]

I take it ur ESP was on, so how did u manage to do a 4 wheel drift for more than a second? The ESP would have compensated for detected slip and wiped that grin off ur face as quick as it came

If I was you Riz I would get down the stealers as your ESP is not working!

Dunc

[Riz_RS4]

If I was you Riz I would get down the stealers as your ESP is not working!

Mmmm strange....the ESP will go off when it goes over very bad road surfaces when wet........ surely if it was faulty the light would always stay on or maybe some DIS warning?

I will investigate further when its a wet day and the car park is empty [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Riz [img]images/graemlins/s3addict.gif[/img]

[Mo_S3]

Yeah if the ESP is faulty then the light does stay on on the instrument cluster but maybe urs has a loose wire and when u go over bumos it shorts the connection thus causing it to flicker on and off !!

U disnt answer the question matey, ho did u manage to do a 4 wheel drift with ESP on and it not intervening ?

U really trying to say that u didnt actually do one !? [img]images/graemlins/3flypigs.gif[/img]



Sweet dreams mate [img]images/graemlins/sleeping_2.gif[/img] [img]images/graemlins/062802drink_prv.gif[/img]

[Riz_RS4]

Sorry...... well as i tried to explain above its not often ive done this but its not too difficult in the wet...... im curious now as im 80% sure that ESP didnt kick-in.... i will have to investigate at a later date when i have time.

And im 100% positive that all 4 wheels lost traction [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

It was a wierd feeling..... i felt the car go lighter as i floored the accelerator pedal... all four wheels spin and suddenly they grip the road and im pulled fowards equaling the right rev + speed combination on the road surface [img]images/graemlins/biggrin3.gif[/img]

Riz

[ChrisG]

Can't read all this thread.....damn machines ....but what David hasn't said is that he probably sees the mashed people , who thought they were good, that he and his collegues have to put together again. On the track do what you like, on the road, these days, there is no point in taking any chances. ESP stays on for me.