Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

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Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

Post by Ceveman73 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:11 pm

Hi guys,

Posted this on the GTR forum, but be good to get your input too!

I am in the market for a new car after owning the usual suspect Jap metal for over ten years (Evos, Scoobs, VR4s etc).

As my car and driving experience has grown, so have my car needs and expectations. Initially I enjoyed a car that was a fast and capable as possible (for the money), and loved the AWD unshakable abilities of the Evo/Scoob etc. Once I got used to them, I started modding to get my thrills and the quest began for more power, even more unshakable grip and better handling. As I have matured, I've begun to appreciate the little delicacies of driving, and am starting to appreciate lighter weight, agility, feel, and noise as much as outright power, so those cars have become less fulfilling in my quest for driving Nirvanna.

I always assumed that the GTR would be my next step, but after driving one for 30 mins I'm not sure. This is where I need your help. After my initial, albeit short drive, I came away incredibly impressed with the car's abilities, power and poise, as the car felt literally effortless and invincible, but in that time the car didn't get under my skin like I'd hoped. I will use the car predominantly as a road car, so would unlikely be able to properly test its limits on the road, and I'm wondering if therein lies the problem is the GTR too good?

I'm an ok driver, but recognise that I'm no pro, and so for my abilities I felt almost that driving the GTR fast was too effortless and easy, too unchallenging? I have no doubt that the car is thrilling to drive, but I am worried that the thrill comes from the sheer speed that the car is able to achieve as opposed to the more intricate elements that define a great driver's car. What I want to know is if you think I will get bored of the car, and end up going back down the endless road of tuning to get my thrills, or if the GTR has the inherent qualities beyond sheer speed that will make every drive a pleasure?

As an alternative I am also considering a 997.2 GT3, which I have also driven. Immediately after the GTR the car feels slower, but during the short test drive, it did seem to deliver more of a visceral, tactile driving experience which the GTR lacked initially. The manual shift, the lack of mass, the high revving engine, low seating position and much smaller, chuckable feel of the car all served to be very rewarding, and all the write-ups say that it's something that you'll never tire of. It also felt more of a challenge to drive fast, and a little intimidating with the threat of that rear end waiting to bite - but that in itself was rewarding. Also, the GT3 felt more fun, more of the time even when driving within the speed limit and at lower speeds, which was nice. Is the GTR only fun when you're breaking the law? At the same time, after the GTR, once I got used to a GT3, would the GT3 end up feeling too slow and gutless?

I honestly don't know what to go for. If I buy the GTR, I am worried that it will suck me dry as I have an inherent tendency to tinker. There are so many tuning options available for the car for both performance and cosmetics will I be constantly enhancing' the car?

Have any owners come from a GT3 to GTR or vice versa? Which will be the better long-term ownership proposition to keep me engaged and entertained for many years?

Any thoughts, experience or opinions would be gratefully received.

Cheers,

Mart.

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Re: Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

Post by rs4blacked » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:24 pm

IMHO the GTR is gadget city lots of gizmos to keep you on the straight and narrow so you technically can't drive the car.
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Re: Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

Post by dbm » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:04 pm

I've never had the pleasure of driving either car, but I can offer a similar experience. The most rewarding car I have ever owned was a Nissan 200SX - 200 bhp, RWD, LSD and no ESP. It was fantastic fun, really agile and very adjustable.

Since then I have gone AWD and systematically more powerful. Every car I've owned has been faster than the last and much faster than the 200SX. Only the TTS has come close in terms of fun; I'm still learning my new RS3 so hopefully it will be just as much fun once I have learned its moves. But still not a such fun as the 200SX.

So why did I move away from the 200SX? Because it wasn't safe to drive under all-weather conditions and I like to use my car every day. AWD cars can be used whatever the weather, and we get a lot of rain in the UK!

RWD will always be more fun than AWD. If you have another car as a daily driver then the Porsche is the way to go. if you want power with usability, go with the GTR.

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Re: Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

Post by HYFR » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:22 pm

rs4blacked wrote:IMHO the GTR is gadget city lots of gizmos to keep you on the straight and narrow so you technically can't drive the car.
ever been in one? driven one ?

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Re: Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

Post by PhilT » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:27 pm

D_K wrote:
rs4blacked wrote:IMHO the GTR is gadget city lots of gizmos to keep you on the straight and narrow so you technically can't drive the car.
ever been in one? driven one ?
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Re: Considering a GTR, but is it too good?

Post by adsgreen » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:15 am

rs4blacked wrote:IMHO the GTR is gadget city lots of gizmos to keep you on the straight and narrow so you technically can't drive the car.
I don't think that's really fair...
The GTR has a playstation with wheels rep but it's nothing quite as bad as that.
However is does flatter the "average" driver and the underlying technology is impressive. You can have fun easily in GTR but it depends on how you get your kicks.
If it's from going as fast as you possibly can (generally without crashing) then the GTR ticks an awful lot of boxes. However you will always know that the car's pace is through it's ability to smooth out the rough edges in your driving ability.
I prefer cars that may be fundamentally slower but will end up backwards in a hedge if you get it wrong. It's why after all the Elise based cars I've had my favourites are the early ones (pre 2005) where there was no traction control, no power steering, no ABS - hell, the brakes are not even servo assisted.

I kinda of link it to the difference between decending a steep drop with ropes or free climbing... Using ropes is obviously far quicker and much much safer however the buzz is... different and I prefer it being "all me". In this world I think the GTR is equivalent to rap running (forward abseiling and running) - you go very very fast, and you'll get a good buzz but underneath it's still very controlled and safe. In the end though freeclimbing isn't to everybody's taste and similary neither is a stripped out unassisted car that will do it's best to kill you if you screw up (or commonly known as "hitting diesel"). If we all liked the same thing it'd be dull and boring so I'd never critcise somebody for choosing or not choosing the GTR.

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