Gareth,looking at your sig, what got the s4 dammned and you into buying mode? Didn't u have something other lined up / ordered in your car pipeline...
d.
BMW E60 M5
Re: BMW E60 M5
RS4-ever
- RS4 B5, 2001, avus, stock but basically all options (former mileage eater, now leisure usage only)
- A4 3.0 Avant, 2002, silver (current mileage eater)
- Z3 3.0 roadster, 2003, silver (missus car)
- RS4 B5, 2001, avus, stock but basically all options (former mileage eater, now leisure usage only)
- A4 3.0 Avant, 2002, silver (current mileage eater)
- Z3 3.0 roadster, 2003, silver (missus car)
Re: BMW E60 M5
I take it back, the M5 (in Autocar) looks really nice.
Dunc
Dunc
Re: BMW E60 M5
Sorry but the "drone" you describe is 2.5-3K rpm so not really to much of a problem [img]images/graemlins/colflash.gif[/img]
And isn't the new RS6 rumoured to be a V10 (possibly with turbos)?
And isn't the new RS6 rumoured to be a V10 (possibly with turbos)?
Alan [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
B78 RS4 Avant
Porsche 996 GT3RS
Renault Megane R26R BDM 270bhp
B78 RS4 Avant
Porsche 996 GT3RS
Renault Megane R26R BDM 270bhp
Re: BMW E60 M5
Autocar says either twin turbo V8 or n/a V10 from Gallardo. They also say that a S8 is confirmed.
Dunc
Dunc
Re: BMW E60 M5
Autocar says either twin turbo V8 or n/a V10 from Gallardo. They also say that a S8 is confirmed.
Dunc
IMHO, if the next RS6 will be heading to the States, I think it will definately be a V10 N/A engine!! Audi just can't get the emission right for the turbos anymore. Also, they will have an extra selling point for it, a super sedan or advant using Lambo V10!! The Americans will buy it!!
Wow... All super sedans are heading to the 500bhp+ mark. I wondering what will happening after 10 years!!
600bhp [img]images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]?? I understand most of us has power craving, but 500+bhp, isn't it getting a little excessive? I guess may be not for those Autobarn countries! [img]images/graemlins/roflmao.gif[/img]
New RS6?
Lambo V10 For New RS6 Evo Article
Audi's all-new A6 will eventually flower into a V10-engined mega-saloon, according to sources within the company.
The next-generation S6 is expected to get an upgrade and be fitted with a twin-turbo V8, but it will be topped by an extreme RS6 replacement fitted with a de-tuned
5-litre V10 borrowed from the Lamborghini Gallardo. This engine will also be used in Audi's upcoming Le Mans Quattro supercar and provides competition for BMW's forthcoming V10-engined M5.
The new A6 also marks the beginning of an attempt to reinvent the maker as a sporting brand: 'sport and Audi go together', according to one talking head at the recent London unveiling. Audi is also claiming that the A6 will be 'the most sporting saloon in the sector'.
The new A6 has a longitudinally-mounted engine, wishbone front suspension and now a complex multi-link rear axle on both front- and all-wheel drive versions. Audi's launch blurb also says that the car has a new 'ML' transmission, standing for 'Manual Longitudinal'. This new design allows Audi's engineers to mount the engines further back in the nose - or perhaps allows the front wheels to be placed further forward: some 83mm has been liberated according to Audi's Dr Horst Glaser. Although this may not sound much, the A6's weight distribution is now 59 per cent front/ 41 per cent rear, a much-needed improvement.
Having a powerplant that overhangs the front wheels has been the root cause of criticisms concerning the handling, steering feel and balance of various Audis for years. Moving the engine rearwards might also explain how it's possible to fit a detuned version of the Gallardo's V10 into the nose of the next-generation RS6.
Ahead of the launch, a senior Audi source told evo that the company's new design language had one aim: 'to stop us fading into the background'. There's no doubt that the A6 is more flashy than previous Audis and that it finally breaks with the hugely successful design language established with the 100 and 80 models of the late 1980s.
Perhaps an even bigger design revolution has been wrought inside. The A6's interior has been completely re-thought and is much 'busier' and more 'technical' than any previous Audi. It's also much more switch-laden and gets the MMI control set-up with a 6.5in monochrome television screen. Ritzier versions get a colour screen.
In the flesh, the new A6 shows evidence that Chris Bangle's radical BMWs have started to influence rivals. How utterly ironic, then, that Bangle should be kicked upstairs by BMW into an executive role just days ahead of the A6 unveiling.
Unlike the current car - which is sister to the VW Passat - this A6 doesn't currently share its chassis with any another VW Group brand. The steel monocoque is said to be 36 per cent stiffer and rear legroom is up by an appreciable 83mm.
Five new engines are lined up for launch with a 335bhp 4.2-litre V8 at the top. Also on offer is a 255bhp 3.2-litre FSI V6, a 177bhp 2.4-litre V6 and two diesels; a 225bhp 3-litre TDI and a 140bhp 2-litre TDI. Interestingly, more than 50 per cent of current A6 sales are diesel-powered. Both the V8 and V6 motors are based on the same - new - 90degree architecture (as is the Gallardo V10) with just 90mm between bore-centres. This design aims to reduce frontal weight-bias.
All models get the new six-speed manual 'box or a six-speed auto. There's also the option of the unique - and superb - stepless Multitronic transmission. Quattro all-wheel drive is standard on the 4.2 and 3.0 TDi models. Adaptive air suspension will be offered as an option from early next year. Standard kit includes speed-dependent assisted steering, an electric parking brake, automatic air-con and rain and light sensors.
With Mercedes experiencing quality problems with the E-class and BMW suffering from experimental design with the 5-series, Audi has never had a better chance to take this sector by storm. The new A6 saloon range goes on sale from June while the Avant estate follows next year. Plans are also afoot for a coupe version.
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Audi's all-new A6 will eventually flower into a V10-engined mega-saloon, according to sources within the company.
The next-generation S6 is expected to get an upgrade and be fitted with a twin-turbo V8, but it will be topped by an extreme RS6 replacement fitted with a de-tuned
5-litre V10 borrowed from the Lamborghini Gallardo. This engine will also be used in Audi's upcoming Le Mans Quattro supercar and provides competition for BMW's forthcoming V10-engined M5.
The new A6 also marks the beginning of an attempt to reinvent the maker as a sporting brand: 'sport and Audi go together', according to one talking head at the recent London unveiling. Audi is also claiming that the A6 will be 'the most sporting saloon in the sector'.
The new A6 has a longitudinally-mounted engine, wishbone front suspension and now a complex multi-link rear axle on both front- and all-wheel drive versions. Audi's launch blurb also says that the car has a new 'ML' transmission, standing for 'Manual Longitudinal'. This new design allows Audi's engineers to mount the engines further back in the nose - or perhaps allows the front wheels to be placed further forward: some 83mm has been liberated according to Audi's Dr Horst Glaser. Although this may not sound much, the A6's weight distribution is now 59 per cent front/ 41 per cent rear, a much-needed improvement.
Having a powerplant that overhangs the front wheels has been the root cause of criticisms concerning the handling, steering feel and balance of various Audis for years. Moving the engine rearwards might also explain how it's possible to fit a detuned version of the Gallardo's V10 into the nose of the next-generation RS6.
Ahead of the launch, a senior Audi source told evo that the company's new design language had one aim: 'to stop us fading into the background'. There's no doubt that the A6 is more flashy than previous Audis and that it finally breaks with the hugely successful design language established with the 100 and 80 models of the late 1980s.
Perhaps an even bigger design revolution has been wrought inside. The A6's interior has been completely re-thought and is much 'busier' and more 'technical' than any previous Audi. It's also much more switch-laden and gets the MMI control set-up with a 6.5in monochrome television screen. Ritzier versions get a colour screen.
In the flesh, the new A6 shows evidence that Chris Bangle's radical BMWs have started to influence rivals. How utterly ironic, then, that Bangle should be kicked upstairs by BMW into an executive role just days ahead of the A6 unveiling.
Unlike the current car - which is sister to the VW Passat - this A6 doesn't currently share its chassis with any another VW Group brand. The steel monocoque is said to be 36 per cent stiffer and rear legroom is up by an appreciable 83mm.
Five new engines are lined up for launch with a 335bhp 4.2-litre V8 at the top. Also on offer is a 255bhp 3.2-litre FSI V6, a 177bhp 2.4-litre V6 and two diesels; a 225bhp 3-litre TDI and a 140bhp 2-litre TDI. Interestingly, more than 50 per cent of current A6 sales are diesel-powered. Both the V8 and V6 motors are based on the same - new - 90degree architecture (as is the Gallardo V10) with just 90mm between bore-centres. This design aims to reduce frontal weight-bias.
All models get the new six-speed manual 'box or a six-speed auto. There's also the option of the unique - and superb - stepless Multitronic transmission. Quattro all-wheel drive is standard on the 4.2 and 3.0 TDi models. Adaptive air suspension will be offered as an option from early next year. Standard kit includes speed-dependent assisted steering, an electric parking brake, automatic air-con and rain and light sensors.
With Mercedes experiencing quality problems with the E-class and BMW suffering from experimental design with the 5-series, Audi has never had a better chance to take this sector by storm. The new A6 saloon range goes on sale from June while the Avant estate follows next year. Plans are also afoot for a coupe version.
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Re: New RS6?
Bingo!!
"De-tuned Lambo V10"
Does it mean it will produce less than 500bhp??
"De-tuned Lambo V10"
Does it mean it will produce less than 500bhp??
Re: New RS6?
Bingo!!
"De-tuned Lambo V10"
Does it mean it will produce less than 500bhp??
Let's think about this - the new M5 will produce 500ps. How about the same?
Re: New RS6?
If the S6 could get twin turbos (and the S8 possibly according to Autocar) then maybe the RS4 can too?
Obviously i realise what they say in Autocar etc could be bollox.
Dunc
Obviously i realise what they say in Autocar etc could be bollox.
Dunc
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Re: New RS6?
It wasn't long ago that there was definately not going to be an S6, so it just goes to show how you never know til the end! Who knows, maybe the next RS4 will have turbos, I personally think it will, but then that's just my opinion.
I don't see Audi bringing out a new RS6 with less power than the M5, that's just not what they do - look at the S4 against the M3, one whole horsey on top of the BMW stable. It may only be a mental difference, but it counts in sales. If Audi puts a N/A V10 in the RS6 I would expect it to be 500hp, maybe a touch more, but in that case the Gallardo will probably be slightly tweaked, just to keep it ahead. Otherwise they may put two lightish pressure turbos on a detuned V10 to distinguish it from the rest of the range and the Gallardo. I just don't see Audi not putting turbos in an RS, that was a major part of the whole design philosophy.
Just my tuppence worth!
Rock on
Sam [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
I don't see Audi bringing out a new RS6 with less power than the M5, that's just not what they do - look at the S4 against the M3, one whole horsey on top of the BMW stable. It may only be a mental difference, but it counts in sales. If Audi puts a N/A V10 in the RS6 I would expect it to be 500hp, maybe a touch more, but in that case the Gallardo will probably be slightly tweaked, just to keep it ahead. Otherwise they may put two lightish pressure turbos on a detuned V10 to distinguish it from the rest of the range and the Gallardo. I just don't see Audi not putting turbos in an RS, that was a major part of the whole design philosophy.
Just my tuppence worth!
Rock on
Sam [img]images/graemlins/thumbs.gif[/img]
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