RS7 APR Reflash....

[chunky79]

That works too.
As for the A7 platform, it has a truly horrible starfish.

[doodlebug]

That works too.
As for the A7 platform, it has a truly horrible starfish.

Indeed, a slight prolapse. A shame the rest is good.

[sakimano]

I can see Sakimo's point that a certified qtr mile would me much more transparent than a potentially innacurate RR print out
However, like bam said, the uk just isn't familiar with qtr times. I know 9s is quick, but if you told me my RS5 did 12 or 15, I'd be none the wiser

My issues with 1/4 mile apart from driver inconsistency is that whilst the time is certified the car isn't.
Seen cases where times posted have been found to be running slicks with stripped out interior on race fuel.

No different with rolling road - you'd be surprised at the difference just resetting fuel trims does, tyre pressure and other settings. Again seen cases where things have been massaged.

Hard to use slicks and stripped interior on video without everyone seeing it.

Reality is that if someone runs an rs4 on slicks it will show up in the time slip. The benchmark is so widely used you can quite easily detect something good like that. Case in point: APR rs4 tvsr1740 supercharged.

11.0@129.8 on race fuel and street tires.
10.60@130.1 on race fuel, slicks a day stripped interior.

No power gained thus limited trap speed gained. Huge ET discrepancy that a trained eye picks out immediately. Further there is video of the runs so you can see exactly what the car has on it. Not that hard.

[sakimano]

You've clearly never tried to book your car into MRC, it's always rammed. The worst thing? Every time I show up they're always stood in the middle of a packed workshop with the phone ringing off the hook and their car park too full to swing a cat... and they're scratching their heads saying "how is this possible, we haven't even posted any real acceleration benchmarks on the Internet?!?!"

Saki, I like your posts, I 'get' you and your point of view but you're being obstinate, so please, don't take this the wrong way when I say this but you're a fucken idiot.

I'll try to make this point once more:
Scenario - you are running a business that is making cash "hand-over-fist" based on reputation and, in part, how you communicate your results (via dyno graphs) to your existing and potential customers.

Proposed change - move from the widely understood and accepted (within Europe) measurement (dyno graph) to a lesser understood nor respected (within Europe) acceleration benchmark (drag strip quarter mile slip).

Observation - you want to make changes to a perfectly working business with customers new and old coming out your ears, all for what? To satisfy some 'Merican forum users that are never going to use your services!?!? Now I can see why you've been so successful at running your own tuning company.

Summing up - unless the current accepted measurement is deemed dishonest, inaccurate or irrelevant, why would you change the measurement, especially when it's been so good for business? i.e. It currently works very well, why break it? Unless customers start demanding quarter mile time slips (either directly or indirectly) then why change a profitable business? Besides, if MRC were not tuning cars to a level matching their dyno output, don't you think they'd have been found out by now? C'mon, they've been at this a fair old while now, right?

I'm not sure why you're rapping on about this, maybe you've got some ulterior motive. I'd like to speculate that you've got a lovely spreadsheet of tuner drag times and MRC has left a huge gap making your once pretty spreadsheet look unsightly, ugly even. If this is the case might I suggest that you take up collecting Pokémon, it'll be an easier 'collect 'em all' experience for you... and us. So I arrive back to my previous comment; you're a fucken idiot, but that's alright, I'm a <beep>.

I don't see how I'm a funking idiot because I said mrc would benefit from raising the standard of proof. Is that really your contention? Mrc are busy so they needn't improve and grow as a business? I guess they won't buy new tuning tools or apply new things they learn to their future parts because it's so easy to succeed .

Anyway, you're speaking for mrc for some reason. Maybe while you are busy dyno racing that slow rs6 of yours around the internet and waiting for mrc to change your wiper blades you missed this...but last time I checked, the two serious acceleration products I have seen mrc developing were performance tested at the dragstrip. The tts rs4 rotrex kit, and the r8 turbo kit.

Funny how that is. I guess we should let MRC's actions speak for MRC, rather than your presumptuous words.

[chunky79]

I'm with hacky sack here. If he said MRC should do strip timing and then they go do it, then all I can say is, hacky, you're the man! Why not say they should do work for £5 an hour too, lets see if you're that good.

[bam_bam]

You appaud MRC now for having their TTS B7 and R8V8T down the strip but you want them to do it for every one of their developments. How is going to the strip going to improve and grow their business when the only majority interested in 1/4 time slips are 'Mericas? I've made my point, you're a fucken idiot, I'm a <beep> in a slow dyno racing RS6. This is now very uninteresting.

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I don't agree with the video as always conclusive - doesn't take a huge amount to be a bit smart with the camera angles to not give anything away.

However I do see your point on the time slips.
Maybe it's just because it's something I'm not too interested in because as bam says phrases like '10 second car' or '130mph trap speed' don't have much context for me. It's no different in my eyes to ring times just for different reasons.
Might as well start quoting me speeds in kph for similar effect

A good example is if you said 'what really is the difference on the road between day 4.2s and 4.5 0-60' it's hard for people to visualise.

[sakimano]

I don't agree with the video as always conclusive - doesn't take a huge amount to be a bit smart with the camera angles to not give anything away.

However I do see your point on the time slips.
Maybe it's just because it's something I'm not too interested in because as bam says phrases like '10 second car' or '130mph trap speed' don't have much context for me. It's no different in my eyes to ring times just for different reasons.
Might as well start quoting me speeds in kph for similar effect

A good example is if you said 'what really is the difference on the road between day 4.2s and 4.5 0-60' it's hard for people to visualise.

I think you're just being deliberately obtuse now to make a point. Now you've got people running complicated video editing scams in order to fool people that they accelerated effectively? It's easier to just be honest and make parts that WORK, adsgreen.

If I'm not mistaken, you have claimed numerous times to work with race cars. You share engineering knowledge with the forum as well on a regular basis. Now...go ahead and tell me that any race team will trust the computer or dyno without road testing the car. I can't wait to hear it. Last time I checked, every engineer I know loves theory but they also love to confirm that theory with a practical test. On literally every other performance platform, in every car magazine, and even every car manufacturer, they test the car's ability to accelerate. Audi owners in the UK on the otherhand argue AGAINST this, and jerkoff on dyno sheets...? Is this the contention of adsgreen, bambam and silas?

My original few posts in this thread were saying that I would love to see some acceleration data from MRC on the RS7 4.0T map so that we could compare it to the APR remap that this thread was originally about. I never mentioned the 1/4 mile since I know most of you are allergic to it. I said acceleration testing.

Acceleration data is being collected over here for a number of RS7s. In Europe/UK, I have seen absolutely nothing to support the dyno marketing. The first couple of posts are a great example...someone posted the dyno results from APR, then someone else posted the dyno results from MRC. They then made an evaluation based on dyno results from 2 different dynos run in house and calibrated by two different companies selling you something. That is absolutely worthless information for making a comparison.

How...someone like bambam can call me an idiot for wanting to see acceleration data for a fcuking acceleration mod is beyond me. Bam Bam if your RS6 is truly making 800 hp as you claimed, you should be comfortably able to run a 10.X 1/4 mile @ 130+ MPH at Santa Pod. even if you just creep it off the line, you will still get a great trap speed. As I offered to Silas the coward last year, after he waved about his dyno sheet, I will pay your entry fee to Santa Pod if you go. All you have to do is go and drive your RS6 down the strip a couple of times with your nearly 350hp over stock RS6 levels. Pretty easy.

If you're full of <beep> and your car is making 550 hp, we will see your car trap a best of something like 115-116 MPH.
If you're really full of <beep> and your car is barely faster than stock, we'll see you trapping around 110-112 MPH.
If you're spot on, you should comfortably be trapping 130+ MPH.

Either way, we have no way of knowing if your dyno is a complete crock of <beep> until we see the car's performance. Again...we're not modifying our cars so we can chat about how powerful they now are at a cocktail party (although some maybe are). The majority of us want to actually accelerate faster. None of us drive our cars on the dyno. We drive them to work, or at a track, or on the motorway or the b-roads at the weekend. We want to accelerate. We aren't going to be comforted with a dyno sheet in the glovebox and hold it out the window when we come across a mate at a light in his M3 and say 'I WIN BECAUSE MY DYNO SHEET SAYS I'M FASTER!'. No...we mat the accelerator and see what's what.

[chunky79]

But what about making MRC's labour rate cheaper?

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Holy <beep> Christ.
I was actually agreeing with you and yet you are so <beep> blinkered with what? keyboard rage? That you create this... legend of a post.
I wasn't disputing anything other than for me personally drag strip times have no context as I don't participate much in that area so it's hard to compare one reading with the other. that's it. nothing against the validity or anything and yet that somehow makes me the <beep> anti-Christ.

ps - I love the way you turn pointing a camera "just so" into a "complicated video editing scam"... I hate to think what exactly you would find complicated? putting one foot in front of the other without falling over? basic maths? ABC?
Get a <beep> life.

[VARSITY]

I am not taking my car down any drag strip.

Unless of course the Canuck puts the money up for breakages.

What a pointless, cock waiving pile of sh1te activity, unless of course your car is built for that activity. In the real world, who actually drives flat out from 0-130 or to a 1/4 mile?

I have my cars tuned for drivability, not for what everyone else wants to see silly numbers. After all its my money and my enjoyment, not yours unless of course you will pay the cost if it breaks?

Cheers

[RIV]

What a pointless, cock waiving pile of sh1te activity, unless of course your car is built for that activity. In the real world, who actually drives flat out from 0-130 or to a 1/4 mile?

+1
For me the enjoyment of a fast 4 wheel drive car is a great road with some lovely bends to hammer it round, couldn't give a toss about the drag strip, apparently I'm a coward for not taking my car to Santa pod, really?? It's laughable it really is, how can one person get so uptight about the drag strip, you need help!!

[sakimano]

I am not taking my car down any drag strip.

Unless of course the Canuck puts the money up for breakages.

What a pointless, cock waiving pile of sh1te activity, unless of course your car is built for that activity. In the real world, who actually drives flat out from 0-130 or to a 1/4 mile?

I have my cars tuned for drivability, not for what everyone else wants to see silly numbers. After all its my money and my enjoyment, not yours unless of course you will pay the cost if it breaks?

Cheers

If your car breaks driving straight through 5 gears I think you're doing something wrong. If you have a new rs7 that shouldn't be a concern. It's a flipping RACE SPORT 7 lol. If you're worried about it breaking while doing an acceleration test, how do you leave the driveway without worrying it will break?

As for pointless cockwaving shyte activities, who am actually on us ever actually straps their car to 2 giant rollers and accelerates from 2000 rpm to redline with giant fans blowing at the car to see what the user controlled computer printout says? Yet that's what the tuners sell you over here . I tend to drive my car on roads, tracks and motorways so I willI stick with pbox or dragstrip times to measure acceleration, thanks.

Adding 100hp to a car that comes with 560hp (it's actually a good bit more than 560 but most of the euro tuners will only show you 'after' results and claim the entire delta vs 560 as their gains) is about acceleration and power, not drivability. What the hell is drivabikity anyway? Is the stock setup jerky and the power comes on unevenly at odd spots in the curve? So it needs a remap?

Anyway, I'm not asking you to take your car to the strip or to put a pbox on it anyway. My suggestion is the tuning companies should be urged to provide this information to the public.

[sakimano]

What a pointless, cock waiving pile of sh1te activity, unless of course your car is built for that activity. In the real world, who actually drives flat out from 0-130 or to a 1/4 mile?

+1
For me the enjoyment of a fast 4 wheel drive car is a great road with some lovely bends to hammer it round, couldn't give a toss about the drag strip, apparently I'm a coward for not taking my car to Santa pod, really?? It's laughable it really is, how can one person get so uptight about the drag strip, you need help!!

no you little sidekick, I challenged you to go to santa pod on my tab when you talked loads of crap.

I don't care about the dragstrip as much as I care about a standardised test for acceleration that is very handy at measuring how certain modifications improve the car. It's really simple.

I challenged you to go and even beat my STOCK time when you were running your mouth a while ago about how great your dyno sheet was and how JHM is nobody and MRC can do no wrong. I suggested a nice way to test that claim. You cowered instead. Sadly you sold your car a couple of months later and bought that my little pony blue abomination.