2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

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2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by VAGNOSTICS » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:43 am

Good Morning,

Car Spec:
  • 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI
    Milltek CAT Deletes (Error Code Delete P0420 & P0430 - BANK 1/2 Efficiency Below Threshold)
    Full Milltek Non Resonated System
    Standard ECU NOT Remapped ONLY CAT Delete Codes
    19,000Miles
We had our RS6 recovered into the local dealership after a visit from the VW Audi Roadside Assistance Technician on Friday 3rd February & was asked to collect it on Monday 6th as it was complete

When we started the vehicle the EPC light was still on & restricting its rev's to 4000rpm so we left the vehicle at the dealership...

We received a phone call today saying they couldn't continue with the vehicle as it wasn't standard & the original exhaust needed to be fitted...We visited the dealer to have a meeting with the service manager/master tech who said they couldn't believe the data coming from the vehicle due to the Milltek Exhaust & CAT Delete File

I've had a report to say the brakes are worn & its due a service in 1700miles but because we wont commit to "PAID" work it seems our car is getting fobbed off as they are not willing to spend anytime investigating

Error Code:

VCDS: 14313 - EXHAUST CAM ADJUSTMANT ACTUATOR B; CYLINDER 3 - P11D8 00 [167] - IMPLAUSIBLE SIGNAL

Has anyone else had a similar issue???

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by RS6chris! » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:53 am

There's your problem....Audi dealer


They won't be intretsed if car is modded(albeit only exhaust)

"Master tech" as much use a tits on a kipper....they'll be after you buying a new exhaust etc.


Get it to a specialist.....and good luck.
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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by pez81 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:26 am

Have you checked if your valve sensor delete has come loose or fallen off? I've heard others with similar issues. Also check your PCV valve might be loose. Good luck sorting mate

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by Leo-RS » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:45 am

VAGNOSTICS wrote:Good Morning,

Car Spec:
  • 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI
    Milltek CAT Deletes (Error Code Delete P0420 & P0430 - BANK 1/2 Efficiency Below Threshold)
    Full Milltek Non Resonated System
    Standard ECU NOT Remapped ONLY CAT Delete Codes
    19,000Miles
We had our RS6 recovered into the local dealership after a visit from the VW Audi Roadside Assistance Technician on Friday 3rd February & was asked to collect it on Monday 6th as it was complete

When we started the vehicle the EPC light was still on & restricting its rev's to 4000rpm so we left the vehicle at the dealership...

We received a phone call today saying they couldn't continue with the vehicle as it wasn't standard & the original exhaust needed to be fitted...We visited the dealer to have a meeting with the service manager/master tech who said they couldn't believe the data coming from the vehicle due to the Milltek Exhaust & CAT Delete File

I've had a report to say the brakes are worn & its due a service in 1700miles but because we wont commit to "PAID" work it seems our car is getting fobbed off as they are not willing to spend anytime investigating

Error Code:

VCDS: 14313 - EXHAUST CAM ADJUSTMANT ACTUATOR B; CYLINDER 3 - P11D8 00 [167] - IMPLAUSIBLE SIGNAL

Has anyone else had a similar issue???
Erm, stating the blindingly obvious here but your fault codes and engine warning light are related to the modified exhaust system.

You can't just fit a turbo back exhaust, remove the cats and run the car on a standard Audi configuration file. The car will be running like a bag of sh*t. The car is finely tuned at the factory to comply with the hardware setup on the car, if you change the hardware, the software will no longer work as it should. From the boost tables to the fuelling to the timing, everything is now corrupt. The standard exhaust system will naturally have a restriction in the way of the catalytic converters to control emissions. There are lambda sensors before and after to control the fuelling (Air to fuel ratio) You have removed these restrictions in the way of a larger diameter exhaust system and the fact that there are now no cats in place. Controlling fuelling has therefore gone to sh*t, the turbo will be overspooling and the car will be running rich. In other words, the car will down a good whack in power. The ECU has recognised this and has restricted revs to 4000 to stop you from loading up the car.

You then decided to take a 14 reg RS6 into Audi to complain :shock: :shock: :shock: A car that did still have warranty anyway, probably not any more I would say. What cowboy outfit knowingly switched off the lambda codes whilst still using the stock software file? It's almost as bad as Delboy removing the lightbulb from the dash display in the old heap of sh*t that he flogged to the Aussie :lol:

Sorry, but this is comical and a sheer height of stupidity on your behalf. You have essentially black marked and de valued the car by losing its warranty. If I were Mr Audi, I'd charge you for the diagnostics cost and cancel your warranty on the spot.

Now to being constructive, you have 2 options..

1) Take the car to see a tuner straight away, the software needs changed (Do not excessively rev or boost the car, keep the loading low, even if it does allow you to come out of soft limp 4000rpm mode)
2) Take the exhaust off the car and put the full standard exhaust system back in place, clear the error codes and see if they come back. If they do, take it into another Audi dealership and ask them to take a look. You want to hope that the initial dealership you have taken it too has not added a 'black mark' to your VIN/Registration thus cancelling your warranty.

The damage may have already been done though, if the car was driven hard with the modified exhaust on the stock file, then who knows what's happened. You get away with it cat back exhaust systems, nothing really changes, when you start removing cats though, leaving it on a standard file is a huge no-no :roll:
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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by mat776 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:22 am

RS6chris! wrote:
Get it to a specialist.....and good luck
Leo-RS wrote:
1) Take the car to see a tuner straight away, the software needs changed ........
Am I missing something here ?
OP - Do you not advertise your self as ".......being one of Lincolnshire’s only Independent VW Group Specialists" and you offer Remapping services ?
Surely you must understand the issue you have yourself, even if you need 'another' specialist to fix it for you ?

I don't intent to be critical really, but it does look a little odd doesn't it.

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by VAGNOSTICS » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:44 am

We would of fixed it here but my wife was driving it & Audi Assistance recovered it into the local dealer saying it wasn't safe to drive...Audi Assistance said it was a common fault & they would deal with it under the warranty

Wish we had recovered it back here now but was just after a heads up if the fault has occurred before

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by pez81 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:46 am

Oh you removed the cats too I didn't see that. Yeah that guy is right you need a tune to clear and prevent those sensors pre and post cat removal. Why decat a car and not put a tune on it? Hope you get it sorted.

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by robf » Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:09 am

Fair enough explanation to why the car ended up at Audi, but still no idea why you started this thread. Audi's response is exactly what i would expect.

I've actually found dealers across all marques to be pragmatic with modifications, but if any modification is connected to an issue, i understand that it is my problem.
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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by RS6chris! » Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:44 am

Good excuse to get it mapped :bigblink:

Audi will be awkard as hell now even though just an exhaust!!


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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by Ian_C » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:46 pm

pez81 wrote:.....Yeah that guy is right you need a tune to clear and prevent those sensors pre and post cat removal. Why decat a car and not put a tune on it? Hope you get it sorted.
This. Audi are most likely thinking its remapped, because cars with removed cats are normally mapped.

Will the factory downpipes mate to the Milltek easily? If so, bolt the OEM cats back on asap and get it checked over at Audi before the warranty expires

Hopefully Audi won't put a black mark against the car: I mean, if they think it has been mapped and you put the stock exhaust on, they *might* still decline a warranty claim? Guilty until proven innocent almost.
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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by MikeFish » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:52 pm

Ian_C wrote:
pez81 wrote:.....Yeah that guy is right you need a tune to clear and prevent those sensors pre and post cat removal. Why decat a car and not put a tune on it? Hope you get it sorted.
This. Audi are most likely thinking its remapped, because cars with removed cats are normally mapped.

Will the factory downpipes mate to the Milltek easily? If so, bolt the OEM cats back on asap and get it checked over at Audi before the warranty expires

Hopefully Audi won't put a black mark against the car: I mean, if they think it has been mapped and you put the stock exhaust on, they *might* still decline a warranty claim? Guilty until proven innocent almost.
If you put the cats back on the problem will probably be gone anyway. Depending on what the cat delete files did you might want to undo this as unmonitored cats are probably not a good idea either.

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by VAGNOSTICS » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:24 pm

We only posted to see if anyone else had a similar problem with Milltek & CAT Delete Pipes...I'm really not bothered if we need to pay for the repair now its at the dealership or it comes back into our workshop but Audi have confirmed the car has not shown up on the system as remapped

Everyday is a learning day & I only asked for advice it wasn't intended as a dig at Audi's Warranty Policy

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Re: 2014 RS6 4.0TFSI Problems

Post by VAGNOSTICS » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:27 pm

I didn't expect Audi to roll over & cover the costs it was just recovered there by Audi Assistance

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