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Pad/disk replacement

Post by s4geo » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:57 am

Hey all - I had my first minor service and oil change (I've done 13.5k miles so far) last week at Jack Barclay in Wandsworth, who provided a great overall service.

One thing that came up as needing attention soon (aside from more tyres again!) were my front pads, which were listed as being 65% worn. Service rep said that it's best practice to replace the discs at the same time but I've never had to do that in my past cars (though I've not had an RS before) and the quote was £1208 (and even though I didn't get a quote for just pads I assume it will be significantly less £££'s).

Whats other people's experience with this - are they just trying their luck or is this common practice on cars with so much weight and performance (and hence heavy braking pressures)?

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by W8PMC » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:44 pm

s4geo wrote:Hey all - I had my first minor service and oil change (I've done 13.5k miles so far) last week at Jack Barclay in Wandsworth, who provided a great overall service.

One thing that came up as needing attention soon (aside from more tyres again!) were my front pads, which were listed as being 65% worn. Service rep said that it's best practice to replace the discs at the same time but I've never had to do that in my past cars (though I've not had an RS before) and the quote was £1208 (and even though I didn't get a quote for just pads I assume it will be significantly less £££'s).

Whats other people's experience with this - are they just trying their luck or is this common practice on cars with so much weight and performance (and hence heavy braking pressures)?

Cheers
I'd suggest they're taking the pi$$. No such advisory i've every heard of that discs should be replaced at the same time as pads, unless of course the pads are showing signs of severe wear or average/above average cracking. I'm sure a sensible wear factor exists, but i'd think as a minimum you'd get through 2 sets of pads to 1 set of discs & that would include some track fun. If no track fun then 3:1 would be possible.
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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by Lewy » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:15 pm

13.5k miles and they need replacing??? Thats crazy?

My A6 3.0 TDI Avant didn't need them replacing until 40k miles.... They replaced the front pads and front discs.

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by SuprSi » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:17 pm

Lewy wrote:13.5k miles and they need replacing??? Thats crazy?

My A6 3.0 TDI Avant didn't need them replacing until 40k miles.... They replaced the front pads and front discs.

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by LittleDevil » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:37 pm

That is way too much. If you are interested, I have a few sets of discs and pads for RS6 at really good price.

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by W8PMC » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:10 pm

SuprSi wrote:
Lewy wrote:13.5k miles and they need replacing??? Thats crazy?

My A6 3.0 TDI Avant didn't need them replacing until 40k miles.... They replaced the front pads and front discs.

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That's because you don't have 560PS pushing you along.
A somewhat valid point, but unless the RS6 owner drives everywhere at twice the speed of the 3.0TDi owner (which i doubt) then although the wear would be greater, it wouldn't be multiples greater as the cars are the same weight & probably 75% of the time driven at similar speeds. Find your way onto a track however & the gloves are off.
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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by rabies » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:43 pm

Mine has also just had its first service (18K miles) at Wimbledon Audi and not a mention of it needing pads. When my C5 or C6 needed pads, the dealers I have used always suggested I change the disks at the same time. I always declined and only replaced the disks or pads when the brake ware warning light came on or when I warped them. I'm sure its best practice for the dealer, but in my opinion not needed for brake performance or safety. The car will actually tell you when either need replacing as the warning light comes on in the same way that the service light comes on when it needs a service.

As an aside, the cost of disks/pads on the C5 for me was 10p per mile and on the C6 was 7p per mile. Will be interesting to see where I get to with the C7.

As for tyres, I drive my pretty spiritedly (road only) but have still got about 4K miles left on my Dunlops - which is about the same mileage I was getting from my C6

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by seb de la run » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:04 pm

i changed the pad at 15 000km.

but at 18 000 i changed the 390x36 by 400 x 38mm is so much better : 2500€ ultimot.de

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by ollys » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:27 am

Stealer tries to rob unsuspecting punter of cash for parts not needed - where's the story :?:

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by s4geo » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:48 am

rabies wrote:Mine has also just had its first service (18K miles) at Wimbledon Audi and not a mention of it needing pads. When my C5 or C6 needed pads, the dealers I have used always suggested I change the disks at the same time. I always declined and only replaced the disks or pads when the brake ware warning light came on or when I warped them. I'm sure its best practice for the dealer, but in my opinion not needed for brake performance or safety. The car will actually tell you when either need replacing as the warning light comes on in the same way that the service light comes on when it needs a service.

As an aside, the cost of disks/pads on the C5 for me was 10p per mile and on the C6 was 7p per mile. Will be interesting to see where I get to with the C7.

As for tyres, I drive my pretty spiritedly (road only) but have still got about 4K miles left on my Dunlops - which is about the same mileage I was getting from my C6
Perhaps I'll try the Dunlops next then as they are a bit cheaper than the Pirelli's and sound like the wear is a bit better (I already changed my fronts at 8.5k miles when they were just under 3mm and bare on the outsides) - and the rears are now down at 3mm.

How have you found the handling on them in the dry/wet? I've found the Pirellis pretty good although they do break traction relatively easily if its damp, although I guess that is expected considering the power being put down

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by rabies » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:02 pm

On the C6 I found that the Dunlop's weren't quite as grippy as the Pirellis, but only a smidge and so certainly not worth the extra cash/increased wear. The Dunlop's were also a hell of a lot quieter.

Haven't driven a C7 on Pirellis so can't make a personal recommendation from actual experience, but you can make any tyre break away given the right provocation - given the performance of an RS6 on the road in real world driving conditions, if this means they break away at 10mph lower, you'll still be well over the speed limit ;-)

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Re: Pad/disk replacement

Post by jezitalia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:10 pm

Pad story sounds wrong to me.

On my C6 I was just about up for a disc change when i traded in, and I had 30k KM son the clock. I had run through two sets of pads from memory. I was fairly kind on it to be honest.
With the lesser wight of the C7 I would expect ( though the discs may be in proportion ) the wear to be lighter than the C6.

Tyres, the Dunlops seem very durable, but I much preferred the Michelins I had on the C6 ( shame no homologation for the C7 :shock: ) I will go PZero when I have gone through the Dunlops, they seem to tramline a lot more than other tyres I have used.

When I get too tired of them I will go for a spirited spent ESP mode run in the dry to try and convince them its time to give way to Pirelli, or hopefully by the Mitch SS's

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