Drove a C7!

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by andre3k » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:43 am

doodlebug wrote:
W8PMC wrote:Is very clever how this RS variant hides it's weight so well. Defo more chuck able than previous models. Would have been my next car too if Audi had been more competative.
I think that's Audi's point, they don't seem arsed about competing. They are giving the RS6 a major push, advertising pretty much like no other RS car I can remember. Dealerships full of posters and banners. By all accounts they are selling well.
It's a great car, exactly what a fast 6 should be. I have no doubt it'll meets its target

I just need to work out how I pay for 1, lol
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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by HYFR » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:16 pm

Its the trick diff and torque vectoring which helps hide the weight.

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by doodlebug » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:01 pm

D_K wrote:Its the trick diff and torque vectoring which helps hide the weight.
That, the diet and the lack of curling tongs/hair driers.

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by HYFR » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:21 pm

yeah, the Spyder actually feels noticably slower than the Coupe due to the extra 100kg of hair driers etc

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by doodlebug » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:28 pm

D_K wrote:yeah, the Spyder actually feels noticably slower than the Coupe due to the extra 100kg of hair driers etc
Thought so!

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by M1R XE » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:32 am

It's selling well really. Can't see many selling tbh with amg offers and the amount of M5s in the north east must be atleast 10 where I live in a local area. Nothing to do with the car the pricing and deals. Tbh off you want one and got the money you will buy. But someone' who's a bit more careful and after a better deal won't be very happy. Especially when you get a few much needed extras on there.

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by W8PMC » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:40 am

doodlebug wrote:
W8PMC wrote:Is very clever how this RS variant hides it's weight so well. Defo more chuck able than previous models. Would have been my next car too if Audi had been more competative.
I think that's Audi's point, they don't seem arsed about competing. They are giving the RS6 a major push, advertising pretty much like no other RS car I can remember. Dealerships full of posters and banners. By all accounts they are selling well.
Not sure it's a great move by Audi as they need to get these cars out on the road to help push sales along & with an OTT price tag of £85+k with a few essential options, you'd have to really want one to shell out basically £20k extra over it's rivals.

Although i tend to agree that Audi will hit there sales figures, i do feel they've lowered this figure since the C6 as i just don't get the £85-£100k for a fast Audi estate. I've also received 2 calls in the last week or so offering me RS6 cancelled orders. Never discussed price as wasn't interested, but this would indicate there's no real waiting list other than production timescales.

I'd guess Audi know what they're doing as they do most things very well, but the B8 RS4 was far from the success the B7 was & i think the C7 RS6 although much better than the C6 will fall quite a way short on sales volumes.

Regardless it's still an amazing vehicle & would have certainly been my choice had a better deal been available.
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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by HYFR » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:45 am

Audi UK have had hit record sales in 2013 so far this year.
They have no issues selling cars and the success of low volume RS cars has zero impact on their achievement of their sales targets as a whole.
They are a halo product, rich in margin and thus they don't need to subsidise them like M5 and AMG.

The marketing for the RS 6 and has been seen with the R8 dyno ad, just emphasises Audi's "brand" as powerful, sporty, premium etc etc blah blah blah ... While John Smith trots down to his local dealer and buys his A3 s-line thinking he's bought into some part of that dream.

BMW and Mercedes, as "brands" just aren't there...where is their R8?

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by W8PMC » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:24 pm

D_K wrote:Audi UK have had hit record sales in 2013 so far this year.
They have no issues selling cars and the success of low volume RS cars has zero impact on their achievement of their sales targets as a whole.
They are a halo product, rich in margin and thus they don't need to subsidise them like M5 and AMG.

The marketing for the RS 6 and has been seen with the R8 dyno ad, just emphasises Audi's "brand" as powerful, sporty, premium etc etc blah blah blah ... While John Smith trots down to his local dealer and buys his A3 s-line thinking he's bought into some part of that dream.

BMW and Mercedes, as "brands" just aren't there...where is their R8?

SLS - epic car, but just another Merc to John Smith.
Agree with some of that to a point but RS being more of a Halo product than M or AMG i just don't agree with. Defo each marque has it's loyal fan base & mine has been Audi favoured for years.

BMW or Mercedes produce there performance models under a different banner in the same way Audi do. Totally agree that the low volume models have no impact on overall group sales. I don't see why you feel Audi don't need to subsidise them though as to sell a heavy depreciating car in todays economy takes some level of manufacturer support. Going back 6ish+ years, both the RS6/4 & M5/3 commanded a premium when launched so folk could get the 1st batch of cars & premiums of £5-10k were possible & dealers even supported this activity by marking up there demo cars above list price.

All 3 manufacturers have i feel diluted there brand over the recent years with the intro of so many variants. For Audi namely the RS3, TT-RS & RS5 etc. as there policy for many years was 1 new RS produced at a time in a totally separate factory facility. BMW did the same however with the 1M but to be fair they still only have 3 actual M Cars, 3,5 & 6 rather than 5 RS's. AMG have always followed a wider path as have usually had a full blown AMG variant on most of the range, however i guess with the arrival of there RS3 competitor the A45 they've to a degree done the same.

According to my sources the RS6 is not selling well & the B8 RS4 even worse, but where a huge difference exists is in production availability as a new M5 can be ordered today & received built to order in 8-10 weeks & a C or E63 AMG about the same, however it's a possible 6 month wait for the RS6.

How many left quote that 209 RS4's have been registered new this year, 2 RS6's, 7 M5's, 17 E63's, 460 C63's & 131 M3's (went end of life in the Spring). Now i know this is far from an exact science & i know the M5 & C63/E63 numbers will jump sharply soon as a result of the excellent deals BMW & Mercedes are offering.

My preference has been Audi for many years & as already said if the RS6 had been more sensibly priced/marketed then it would be one of those heading into the garage, but you'd have to be a huuuuge RS6 fan to pay in real world terms 150% of the money for a car who's list price is exactly the same. Good luck to Audi if this strategy pays off but as i get older i get more cynical & i'd feel i was wasting money if i'd taken what i was offered, that being an S6 for the same money as an M5.
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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by M1R XE » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:08 am

100% agree with what W8PMC has said couldn't and wouldn't have been able to put it better myself. The number of M5s from where I am in the north east. Is shooting right up seen 4 63 plates near me and that's not counting the 8 or so I've seen already.

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by M1R XE » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:16 am

Also drove the C7 RS6 today. Beautiful car pictures don't do it justice really does look the part. Interior is great aswell. Luxurious feels good quality,wouldn't expect anything else from Audi. So onto the drive taking it easy immediately it became apparent to me compared to my C6 RS6 I drove in. The steering is lighter ride is softer smoother,car felt more agile nimble even at low speeds. Probably down to the steering. So along came a dual carriage way and I gave it some it dropped gears at a blink all happened so quick. And we were away numbers kept on climbing the upshift pops sounded great. Really is a quick car and very nice to drive. Took it back to the garage and parked it up after all that got back into my RS6 which is mapped and on a dual carriage way on the way home gave it some then I realised that was fast but this is something else. Ok ok gear changes obviously bits and pieces but for outright brutal power and torque and I know it's mapped but the C7 couldn't compare. Not Saying the C7 is slow by any margin but not as quick as a mapped C6. Nonetheless a great car and will possibly be after one in future once prices fall a bit most likely next year. To everyone that has ordered one congratulations and well done on your choice you lucky buggers. :thumbs:

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by W8PMC » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:22 am

Never driven a tuned C6 RS6:(. Been in a couple & seen them do there thing at VMAX & always thought they were decent stock but insane tuned.

I'd be pretty sure the new C7 stock would have the legs on a C6 cross country as the handling is excellent for the size/weight of car. Very trick how Audi have set it up & i doff my cap as i'm 100% sure when Winter arrives i'd be getting left for dead by a new RS6 in my new M5.

Defo wish i could have justified the premium to acquire one but common sense took over.
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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by anth8910 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:41 pm

M1R XE wrote:Also drove the C7 RS6 today. Beautiful car pictures don't do it justice really does look the part. Interior is great aswell. Luxurious feels good quality,wouldn't expect anything else from Audi. So onto the drive taking it easy immediately it became apparent to me compared to my C6 RS6 I drove in. The steering is lighter ride is softer smoother,car felt more agile nimble even at low speeds. Probably down to the steering. So along came a dual carriage way and I gave it some it dropped gears at a blink all happened so quick. And we were away numbers kept on climbing the upshift pops sounded great. Really is a quick car and very nice to drive. Took it back to the garage and parked it up after all that got back into my RS6 which is mapped and on a dual carriage way on the way home gave it some then I realised that was fast but this is something else. Ok ok gear changes obviously bits and pieces but for outright brutal power and torque and I know it's mapped but the C7 couldn't compare. Not Saying the C7 is slow by any margin but not as quick as a mapped C6. Nonetheless a great car and will possibly be after one in future once prices fall a bit most likely next year. To everyone that has ordered one congratulations and well done on your choice you lucky buggers. :thumbs:
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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by Muzzlehatch » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:26 pm

M1R XE wrote: ride is softer smoother,car felt more agile nimble even at low speeds. Probably down to the steering
I disagree with the first bit there - I found the C7 ride to be much harsher in Comfort mode than the C6. But your next bit I totally agree with, the C7 is far more agile everywhere, with much better brakes so it's great fun and damn quick even down tight country lanes.


Here's my writeup (which I put on PH earlier):

Exterior and Interior are as you've seen in the photos or real life. Some will like it, some won't. I like it, but still prefer some details of the C6. Overall it's impressive, modern and in traffic it's a very nice place to be.

Gearbox:
Frankly, it's brilliant.
The only downside - there are too many gears to use the Manual mode properly, e.g. if you've just been pottering in 7th or 8th at 55mph, then want to paddle-change down manually so you can blast through a corner in 2nd, it's a right fiddle and takes too long.

Suspension:
Comfort mode - stiffer than the C6, so perfect for fast driving but long journeys would definitely be less relaxing
Dynamic mode - Too skittish, no use unless on track (akin to the C6 Sport mode)
Solution - Fortunately you can set up an "Individual" mode to have all settings in Dynamic whilst the suspension is still in Comfort, this makes it best for great fun on British roads.

Steering:
A quicker steering rack makes it feel more responsive and turns in more eagerly, perhaps a bit too light and over-assisted, but on balance better than the C6.

Booting it:
It feels more alive than the C6, which is great and keeps you on your toes more. It still can't hide its weight, but it does a superb job of trying to keep it in a straight line and keeping the nose tucked in through tight corners, even in the wet. Accelerating through the gears between corners really is explosive and addictive. The real difference here is the instant upchange and surge, where the C6 would lose time doing its gearchange thunderclap. I think actual acceleration once in a gear is about the same but as a complete package the C7 is noticeably more agile and faster.

Exhaust:
Comfort mode - Similar in volume to the C6. You can only hear it singing when you're booting it.
Dynamic - Intoxicating at all revs. It really sounds superb with a great low-rev rumble becoming a high-rev roar.

Engine:
It still has throttle delay when pulling away, but then so do most modern fly-by-wire cars.
The V8 is impressive, although if they could have developed this car with the V10 and new gearbox it would be even more impressive.

Luggage space:
Still room for several children, bikes, wardrobes and Great Danes.


Taking my C6 back home after driving the C7 was very interesting.

Interior: I immediately noticed the more 'matte' dashboard with slightly smaller screen and fewer bright colours. It still looks modern, but not as cutting edge as the new car.

Driving: I had a much smoother, relaxing and understated drive home, even when playing with the right pedal. As mentioned before, the urgency and skittishness of the C7 could become tiresome on a long journey as the Comfort suspension setting is too stiff. But down the lanes the C7 really has taken a leap forward in terms of driver enjoyment, it's noticeably more accomplished than the C6.

Summary:
Two words sprang to mind in terms of the C7 when comparing the two. "Shinier" and "Sharper".

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Re: Drove a C7!

Post by Ian_C » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:20 pm

Muzzlehatch wrote:Exhaust:
Comfort mode - Similar in volume to the C6. You can only hear it singing when you're booting it.
Dynamic - Intoxicating at all revs. It really sounds superb with a great low-rev rumble becoming a high-rev roar.
The C7 you drove had the sport exhaust option then?
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