RS5!!!!

[ArthurPE]

the RS5 engine is mechancially identical to the RS4 with the exceptions:
air intakes
ECU alllows it to wind up a bit faster
looking at the weights, it should not be much faster than an RS4
and as far as being 10 sec faster around the 'Ring (RS4 has run a 7:56 and 8:05 iirc), I doubt it...
that would put it in GT3 (997V1) territory ~7:47...it weighs 800 lbs less

now a fast 'Ring car is going to be the M3 GTS
they actually increased displacment by 10% (0.4 l), so they actually get more torque over the entire power band, rather than just hi rpm power...4.4 l, 450 HP, <3300 lbs...
but it's a track car, roll cage and all...I'd take the RS5

the S5 looks so-so on paper, but in the metal is a great looking car...I'm sure the same holds true for the RS5

[victor2vt]

Be interesting to hear what the road testers comments are when they get to drive it !!

[rs4v8]

I'll take the GTR thanks!

100% me too.

£68,000 basic !!!

No way

Totally! Exchange rate doesn't seem to be a problem over at BMW. Stuggling to see how they'll be able to justify the extra over a basic m3 at 53k - and cheaper if you shop around.

[pippyrips]

I wouldn't mind a DSG style box. Just got to find the right car where one comes fitted as standard or option. Unfortunately I don't think the RS5 will be that one and I've already ruled out the 911 Turbo (had a Porker before and got fed up with the unprovoked abuse when driving it). R8 V10 or Aston Martin maybe?

BMW's DCT box as found as an option on the new M3's is excellent - equal if not better than any other twin-clutch set-up I've driven over the past few months and I think I've tried them all!

[pippyrips]

I'll take the GTR thanks!

100% me too.

£68,000 basic !!!

No way

Totally! Exchange rate doesn't seem to be a problem over at BMW. Stuggling to see how they'll be able to justify the extra over a basic m3 at 53k - and cheaper if you shop around.

I spec'ed up an M3 saloon with all the desireable options, list came to 63k but I could have had it for 51k. The RS5 is going to have to be amazing to justify the price.

[Sims]

£68,000 basic !!!

No way

Totally! Exchange rate doesn't seem to be a problem over at BMW. Stuggling to see how they'll be able to justify the extra over a basic m3 at 53k - and cheaper if you shop around.

The 68K is a mere currency translation at 88p to the quoted Euro price of 77,700.

The reality will be different and Audi UK will probably offer the basic car at sub £60k.

The RS5 has moved on from the RS4, with lots of new toys, more power etc. RS5 engine key components are redesigned and even some parts use different materials.

And yes it is reputed to be faster than the RS4 at the 'Ring. The weight difference is 15k more than the avant and 75kg than the saloon. But 30ps more, a new trick diff, better chassis, progress generally... I believe it.

[krakatoa]

£68,000 basic !!!

No way

Totally! Exchange rate doesn't seem to be a problem over at BMW. Stuggling to see how they'll be able to justify the extra over a basic m3 at 53k - and cheaper if you shop around.

The 68K is a mere currency translation at 88p to the quoted Euro price of 77,700.

The reality will be different and Audi UK will probably offer the basic car at sub £60k.

The RS5 has moved on from the RS4, with lots of new toys, more power etc. RS5 engine key components are redesigned and even some parts use different materials.

And yes it is reputed to be faster than the RS4 at the 'Ring. The weight difference is 15k more than the avant and 75kg than the saloon. But 30ps more, a new trick diff, better chassis, progress generally... I believe it.

If it is 'progress generally', then why does it weigh more than the RS4 avant (which is obviously a lot more practical), barely any faster if at all, and will cost more?

When you look at it objectively, the RS5 really doesn't reflect 5 years of progress from the RS4.

Only a fool would swap from an RS4 to the new RS5.

[victor2vt]

Yes, let's wait to see what the launch price and basic spec is going to be

They've got to be close to their rival's current models price and spec

[HYFR]

it will sell well, but I think the RS 4 will still hold its own as a classic of its time

good for residuals

[ArthurPE]

Ring laps
7:44 --- 159.83 km/h - Audi R8 5.2 FSI, 525 PS/1660 kg (sport auto 09/09)
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05)
8:01.90 153.99 km/h - Audi R8, 420 PS/1620 kg (AutoBild sportscars 11/08)
8:04 --- 153.22 km/h - Audi R8, 420 PS/1595 kg (sport auto 07/07)
8:09 --- 151.66 km/h - Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h - Audi S5, 354 PS/1718 kg (sport auto 01/08)

I don't think the RS5 will be faster than the R8(V8)
and definitely no where near the R8(V10)

[Sims]

If it is 'progress generally', then why does it weigh more than the RS4 avant (which is obviously a lot more practical), barely any faster if at all, and will cost more? .

It weighs 15kg more. The Avant, Saloon, Coupe concept - all different, practicality does not trump.

How fast - we will see, but it has been suggested it will be 10 seconds quicker at the 'Ring. Those last few seconds are most difficult to achieve.

Cost - as explained, less than 3 years ago, Sterling was at 65p to the Euro. The UK price at that level for the 77,700 Euro car would be £50,500. Wasn't the RS4 around the same price?

When you look at it objectively, the RS5 really doesn't reflect 5 years of progress from the RS4. .

. More power, better diff, better exhaust, more details yet to emerge. That's some progress, but the RS4 was a very hard act to follow. So I understand what you are saying but we need to be patient.

Only a fool would swap from an RS4 to the new RS5.

2 very fine cars, positioned at slightly different audiences.

[rs4v8]

The reality will be different and Audi UK will probably offer the basic car at sub £60k.

The RS5 has moved on from the RS4, with lots of new toys, more power etc. RS5 engine key components are redesigned and even some parts use different materials.

And yes it is reputed to be faster than the RS4 at the 'Ring. The weight difference is 15k more than the avant and 75kg than the saloon. But 30ps more, a new trick diff, better chassis, progress generally... I believe it.

I'd fully expect it to move things on from the (4 y.o.) RS4 which is itself based on an older platform
I just have a real problem with the expected price of the RS5 especially when it seems that the main components might be robbed and / or adapted from other existing VAG group cars. DSG style transmission / adaptive suspension / essentially a re-plumbed RS4 engine etc etc.
It'll need to be significantly sub £60k for a basic car for me to be after one, and if as suggested on here it could be nearer 70k, then i reckon you'd seriously need your head read IMHO.
Lastly, it's heavier than an RS4 avant? for a coupe? Seriously? Oh dear.......

[rs4v8]

If it is 'progress generally', then why does it weigh more than the RS4 avant (which is obviously a lot more practical), barely any faster if at all, and will cost more?

When you look at it objectively, the RS5 really doesn't reflect 5 years of progress from the RS4.

Couldn't agree more

[rs4v8]

Yes, let's wait to see what the launch price and basic spec is going to be

They've got to be close to their rival's current models price and spec

RS6 / M5 new price might suggest otherwise
Although I sincerely hope you're right.

[HYFR]

I guess it would be progress if it put out 444bhp on a RR