Brake Thread - OEM Ceramics vs OEM Steel

[rtd]

Ian, I have owned both my cars with ceramics for years without a single damage so I cannot understand why you would want to change the ceramic discs on a yearly basis. They are good for at least 80k road miles.

Ian....What I really want to know is, how often do you track your car and how many times have you been?. You talked about the Porsche boys etc... what you have forgotten is that they are track orientated and the C6 is definitely NOT.

David here you go again with the road use issue Ian, has not said ceramics are no good on the road he is talking about their performance on the track.

And what relevance is it if you have owned a car with ceramics I do, you never tracked your C6 nor have I. The discussion is regarding their performance and behaviour when tracked.

What is it that you don't understand here.... The C6 is a barge and is NOT a track car.. the guys here are all talking about tracking them etc so my questions remains... how often do they track the C6 and how many times have they been. This is vital because, if they only maybe track the barge once a year, why the feck would they care about how well or not well the ceramics perform when 99.99% of the time, the car is used on the road.

Also, Ian has stated that he would like to change the ceramic discs on a yearly basis..WHY?.

I don't know how often Ian tracks his car I reckon at least 3/4, but I do know that Tom does it regularly.

And your point about it being a barge, it's a barge in my hands but it's less so with someone who possess a few skills and knows what he's doing.

[classba]

What is it that you don't understand here.... The C6 is a barge and is NOT a track car.. the guys here are all talking about tracking them etc so my questions remains... how often do they track the C6 and how many times have they been. This is vital because, if they only maybe track the barge once a year, why the feck would they care about how well or not well the ceramics perform when 99.99% of the time, the car is used on the road.

Also, Ian has stated that he would like to change the ceramic discs on a yearly basis..WHY?.[/quote]

I don't know how often Ian tracks his car I reckon at least 3/4, but I do know that Tom does it regularly.

And your point about it being a barge, it's a barge in my hands but it's less so with someone who possess a few skills and knows what he's doing.[/quote]

LMFAO... remember the chap here kept on saying.... PHYSICS?. Yes, you can take any car to the track but are they REALLY made for that purpose or remotely close?.

[classba]

This debate is tiresome and there seems to be so many bum chums that scratches each others backs and like Ian has said... Im not in nor welcome in the steel golden Helmet brigade. Peace and OUT.

[rtd]

What is it that you don't understand here.... The C6 is a barge and is NOT a track car.. the guys here are all talking about tracking them etc so my questions remains... how often do they track the C6 and how many times have they been. This is vital because, if they only maybe track the barge once a year, why the feck would they care about how well or not well the ceramics perform when 99.99% of the time, the car is used on the road.

Also, Ian has stated that he would like to change the ceramic discs on a yearly basis..WHY?.

I don't know how often Ian tracks his car I reckon at least 3/4, but I do know that Tom does it regularly.

And your point about it being a barge, it's a barge in my hands but it's less so with someone who possess a few skills and knows what he's doing.[/quote]

LMFAO... remember the chap here kept on saying.... PHYSICS?. Yes, you can take any car to the track but are they REALLY made for that purpose or remotely close?.[/quote]


your last point David is the same as those stupid journos who only rate a car if it slides around everywhere how many people in real life actually do that? Very few. That's not to say you can't it's just do you want too? Same applies here.

[IanH755]

**********************EDIT - I see this got out of hand again whilst I was typing my reply out (takes me while) so this post only refers to the post from David I've quoted, I haven't read the rest yet*******************

Ian, I have owned both my cars with ceramics for years without a single damage so I cannot understand why you would want to change the ceramic discs on a yearly basis. They are good for at least 80k road miles.

In the big post above you'll see that I've linked to the manufacturers who say track driving reduces the life of ceramic discs. No-one is talking about road driving other than you.

Ian....What I really want to know is, how often do you track your car and how many times have you been?

I did 4 in the C5 but I've only managed 3 so far in the C6 (mainly Lydden hill which is cheap fun but a bit small). I haven't done any this year TBH, with the car off road for 3 months Feb-Apr and I still haven't done any since the 900 conversion finished but I'm aiming for 6+ a year plus a Ring trip or two. Then just for fun I've done 5+ in my old BMW 2 ton 740i (such fun in a "non-track" car) and dozens of track/drift days in my R34 GTT.

I'm now expecting the next comment to be "show me proof then" etc, well I can't, I have no photos, no in-car footage and I don't tell people about them so I'm either lying or telling the truth, you decide. The "passenger ride" days however I'm very happy to share as they don't have a potentially negative effect.

You talked about the Porsche boys etc... what you have forgotten is that they are track orientated and the C6 is definitely NOT.

I simply showed that some people who have ceramics and actually drive on the track, take their Ceramics off.

As for track days, they are what you make of them. I'm not pretending to be a professional race driver, I'm just out to have fun (and I do ) and find the limits of my car. I don't understand the negativity you have towards the idea for someone else enjoying their car on the track?

Any chance the next comment could be positive at all, it's getting very dull listening to all the negativity man

[Golfather]

Any chance the next comment could be positive at all...

[v8 omfg]

This could be good news,
Anyone wishing to sell a ceramic set up for an RS6 C7?

[Shinobi675]

This debate is tiresome and there seems to be so many bum chums that scratches each others backs and like Ian has said... Im not in nor welcome in the steel golden Helmet brigade. Peace and OUT.

The automotive media?

If money wasn't an option. I'd have ceramics, the advantages are 100% there. But for £12k I'd improve other areas first and put on better cheaper steals. The unsprung mass would be great, but £5k of suspension first would improve the car more. It's diminishing returns.

So my annoyance is purely on the "they stop quicker" argument. They simply don't, they simply can't. And so far all of the "evidence" put on here agrees with that statement. Even when Ian tried to find a reason why simple oem vs oem would stop sooner, that turned out to be a lot less than first thought.

I have zero problems with ceramics, if I could get a 2nd hand at the same price for the same car but one had ceramics. I'd take the ceramics.

[stevo55]

I have standard discs, DS2500 pads, superblue and HEL lines.

I did the VW Phaeton mod, and that made a noticeable difference to braking (in a good way)

Cost me about £100, well worth it in my opinion (to a standard set up)

This is probably going to be my next mod and that price is pretty keen Don! Is that including the pads and HEL lines? Whereabouts did you get it done by the way?

[Brooner]

well at the very least the ceramics keep the alloys clean

[IanH755]

Steveo - The price is just for the "Phaeton" mod which is swapping the extremely good brake duct over from a Phaeton. The DS2500's are nearly £200, the ATE fluid is about £15 and the HEL lines are about £80.

[stevo55]

Thanks Ian! Seems like a pretty cost effective mod...don't get many of those for an RS6 that's for sure...

[stevo55]

Further to that-anyone got any recommendations on a good place to get that mod fitted in the Herts area?

[IanH755]

It's extremely easy to do. Remove the brake disc, swap the back plate (4 screws) refit discs - should be 20mins per side inc removing the wheel.

Here's some pics from Ross Dagley - viewtopic.php?f=47&t=114989&p=734775&hi ... on#p734775

[stevo55]

Thanks Ian however unlike many on here I'm not the most mechanically minded and would probably balls it up! My missus' brother is a mechanic though so that may be a solution. Will look at the TPS website to sort that cheers